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572-13 FLOW NUMBERS #295843
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I HAVE A PAIR OF 572-13 365 CNC HEADS FOR MY 580" MOTOR.INDY SAYS THEY FLOW 395@.700 399@ .800. I HAD MY SHOP CHECK THEM FOR ME,AND THEY ARE NOT CLOSE.THE SHOP SAID THEY HAVE ALOT OF SWIRL IN THE HIGHER LIFTS.THEY ARE NOT DONE YET BUT THE PRELIMARY NUMBERS ARE 369@ .700 AND 360@ .800.WE ARE GOING TO CHECK WITH INDY TO SEE IF WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING,OR NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.MY CAM WITH 1.7 ROCKERS IS AT .800" I CHANGED FROM 1.55 TO GET MORE FLOW.DID NOT EXPECT THE FLOW TO DROP.DO ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY REAL WORLD FLOW NUMBERS FOR THEESE HEADS? DO THEESE SOUND RIGHT? THANKS FOR ANY INPUT.

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dont sound right to me as my indy ez; are 360 @ 7

but flow benches vary of course.. I have heard of 440-1's gojng 400 on here,


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: moparniac] #295845
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MUST NOT BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT WITH THE BENCH


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295846
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MUST NOT BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT WITH THE BENCH


All caps indicates the sender is SHOUTING I have found that the flow numbers are easily influenced by the shape of the flow device(hand formed clay, hard mandrel or what ever or none) or lack of a flow mandrell on the intake port and a pipe on the exhuast port. Not all flow benches flow the same on the same head and port, some benches are happy and some are not Not all shops write the actual flow numbers down exactly the way the head flowed, especailly if it is the work they did on them being flowed, some other shops may say the heads flow less than they did on thier bench so they can ("work on them") to make them flow better the second time they "flow them"


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Cab_Burge] #295847
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Does anybody remember the issues Eddy(Elvis)had with those heads?! He got the same results as you so dont feel bad. That said, they did make good power. A set of B1s would be a big improvement, tho, IMHO.

Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: moparniac] #295848
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dont sound right to me as my indy ez; are 360 @ 7

but flow benches vary of course.. I have heard of 440-1's gojng 400 on here,



That may have been my post. 440-1 heads and 572 heads use the same casting core, the 572 is rolled 2 degrees, exhaust is moved out .050 to the outside of chamber to fit bigger valves. My 440-1 heads flowed 399 at .800 sneaked up to 400 at .900 after installing 2.300 intake valves and cutting down the exhausts to 1.78 to make them work together in the standard 440-1 head. They showed a nice improvement on the intake side, very little loss on the exhaust.


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Cab_Burge] #295849
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All caps indicates the sender is SHOUTING I have found that the flow numbers are easily influenced by the shape of the flow device(hand formed clay, hard mandrel or what ever or none) or lack of a flow mandrell on the intake port and a pipe on the exhuast port. Not all flow benches flow the same on the same head and port, some benches are happy and some are not Not all shops write the actual flow numbers down exactly the way the head flowed, especailly if it is the work they did on them being flowed, some other shops may say the heads flow less than they did on thier bench so they can ("work on them") to make them flow better the second time they "flow them"




No I am not shouting,Thats not my style, I don't know how to type well and I'm half blind so it's hard for me to see these little letters. But anyway, the heads are untouched CNC'D from Indy. I am not going to have the shop do any work on them, I was just having them checked. How can they be so far off from what Indy claims? We're putting a call into Indy today to make sure we are flowing these properly.
Thanks for your input. I'll post what Indy says after we talk.

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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295850
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Eddie couldnt get them to flow over 385 with the valve out


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295851
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These heads will go 400+ cfm, it just takes a good head porter to bring it out in them. There are a number of folks capable of doing this. As an example, my 440-1 heads started out life not being able to flow over 316 in as shipped form with the small 2.19 valve, unported. They are better now.


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: sixpackgut] #295852
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Not all flow benches are equal.

My 440-1's with a 2.25 intake flowed 383 at .800

Hmmmm only thing i can think of is what bore were the heads being flowed on?

Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295853
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I HAVE A PAIR OF 572-13 365 CNC HEADS FOR MY 580" MOTOR.INDY SAYS THEY FLOW [Email]395@.700[/Email] 399@ .800. I HAD MY SHOP CHECK THEM FOR ME,AND THEY ARE NOT CLOSE.THE SHOP SAID THEY HAVE ALOT OF SWIRL IN THE HIGHER LIFTS.THEY ARE NOT DONE YET BUT THE PRELIMARY NUMBERS ARE 369@ .700 AND 360@ .800.WE ARE GOING TO CHECK WITH INDY TO SEE IF WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING,OR NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.MY CAM WITH 1.7 ROCKERS IS AT .800" I CHANGED FROM 1.55 TO GET MORE FLOW.DID NOT EXPECT THE FLOW TO DROP.DO ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY REAL WORLD FLOW NUMBERS FOR THEESE HEADS? DO THEESE SOUND RIGHT? THANKS FOR ANY INPUT.




I am feeling your frustration! I bought some used 572-13's this winter, and just got them back from the machine shop, where I had them flowed also. My CNC EZ heads flowed 350 from Modern, and they flowed 320 something at this shop. With a 2.35 intake valve the 572's flowed just under 370 at .650, and by .750 were below 350? I was disappointed to say the least. We'll work on them this winter, but I had to take them, and get the car running. The exhausts were ok at 270 without a pipe.

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All caps indicates the sender is SHOUTING I have found that the flow numbers are easily influenced by the shape of the flow device(hand formed clay, hard mandrel or what ever or none) or lack of a flow mandrell on the intake port and a pipe on the exhuast port. Not all flow benches flow the same on the same head and port, some benches are happy and some are not Not all shops write the actual flow numbers down exactly the way the head flowed, especailly if it is the work they did on them being flowed, some other shops may say the heads flow less than they did on thier bench so they can ("work on them") to make them flow better the second time they "flow them"




No I am not shouting,Thats not my style, I don't know how to type well and I'm half blind so it's hard for me to see these little letters. But anyway, the heads are untouched CNC'D from Indy. I am not going to have the shop do any work on them, I was just having them checked. How can they be so far off from what Indy claims? We're putting a call into Indy today to make sure we are flowing these properly.
Thanks for your input. I'll post what Indy says after we talk.




good luck with getting anything from Indy, let us know how that works out for you.?

Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: 4404dart] #295855
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"My CNC EZ heads flowed 350 from Modern, and they flowed 320 something at this shop. With a 2.35 intake valve the 572's flowed just under 370 at .650"
So at Modern the 572's would probably have flowed around 400! I think that is what Indy claims for those heads.

Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295856
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I would becarefull on believing Indys claims on flow numbers.I know first hand what thay told me on flow numbers on my hemi heads were inflated. I had two shops flow my hemi heads and could not come up with the numbers Indy claims.

Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: sixpackgut] #295857
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Eddie couldnt get them to flow over 385 with the valve out



ouch,man that hurt

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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295858
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Hi 370's here @ .700 If I remember rightly.


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295859
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I HAVE A PAIR OF 572-13 365 CNC HEADS FOR MY 580" MOTOR.INDY SAYS THEY FLOW [Email]395@.700[/Email] 399@ .800. I HAD MY SHOP CHECK THEM FOR ME,AND THEY ARE NOT CLOSE.THE SHOP SAID THEY HAVE ALOT OF SWIRL IN THE HIGHER LIFTS.THEY ARE NOT DONE YET BUT THE PRELIMARY NUMBERS ARE 369@ .700 AND 360@ .800.WE ARE GOING TO CHECK WITH INDY TO SEE IF WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING,OR NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.MY CAM WITH 1.7 ROCKERS IS AT .800" I CHANGED FROM 1.55 TO GET MORE FLOW.DID NOT EXPECT THE FLOW TO DROP.DO ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY REAL WORLD FLOW NUMBERS FOR THEESE HEADS? DO THEESE SOUND RIGHT? THANKS FOR ANY INPUT.




don't worry about that .800 lift #. If you have .800 lift at the valve, you'll only "access" .700 lift on live engine.
So concentrate around the .700# more.
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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Old School] #295860
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The 572-13 head is not much better than a 440-1 that it is made from. My hand ported 440-1's go 370 on the intake and the 572-13's wiht a lot of time and $$ go 390-395.


That 390-395 is the real world end of the road for that head, IMO.


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Re: 572-13 FLOW NUMBERS [Re: Mike Swann] #295861
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When GOOD 440-1's can now flow 380-400cfm (400cfm with the 2.30 valve) Whats the point of the 572-13 heads? And if you want mid 400CFM flows you just go B1 Mc's or the PSO's. and if you want 500++ Well you go Predator or B1-TS.

440-1's are the best heads out there until you want over 400cfm then B1 takes over IMO

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Tom hemphill did my b1,s They flow 400 plus Great guy to work with.

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