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Re: Tesla plaid on the street [Re: feets] #2954215
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Originally Posted by feets


One problem they haven't solved is range. My little C55 may not be as fast as a Plaid but I was able to drive it NYC to Dallas in a day and a half. 1700 miles in a weekend is a bit of a stretch for an EV.


I am guessing with a new Tesla that you would have spent two to three hours charging on that trip.

The overall impact could be less if meals, rest stops and lodging was coordinated with charging.

I don't think there is any doubt that to minimize the time needed for an over the road trip with an electric car requires planning.

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
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One problem they haven't solved is range. My little C55 may not be as fast as a Plaid but I was able to drive it NYC to Dallas in a day and a half. 1700 miles in a weekend is a bit of a stretch for an EV.


I am guessing with a new Tesla that you would have spent two to three hours charging on that trip.

The overall impact could be less if meals, rest stops and lodging was coordinated with charging.

I don't think there is any doubt that to minimize the time needed for an over the road trip with an electric car requires planning.



It's 1546 miles from Dallas to NYC.

Plaid has a range of 390 miles, is things are optimal, they never are.

Assuming you can find Superchargers appropriately located it takes 51 minutes to charge from 5% to 95%. That brings the range down to 351 miles and adds another charge to get there for a total of 5 needed.

5 hours, roughly, of charge time. Making it a 27 hour drive vice a 22 hour one.

Making a two day trip, assuming 12 hours driving, 12 not driving, into a three day one. Add in another day in a hotel, plus food and whatnot.

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so if you can't get rid of your junk cheapo big screen, or your computer parts, until the county "decides" a day is appropriate to do so, good luck with your junk electric car parts..........["batteries not included...." biggrin]
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I based my numbers on Tesla saying you can add 200 miles in 15 minutes. That declines as the battery "fills up".

Total charging time can be reduced by stopping more often and not fully charging the battery.

Lots of strategies, for example no reason not to leave the house fully charged.

If stopping for a meal you might charge longer than what would otherwise be optimal.

Last charge you just need to charge enough to get home.

Of course be advised I have never even ridden in a EV!

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
I based my numbers on Tesla saying you can add 200 miles in 15 minutes. That declines as the battery "fills up".


Lots of Tesla claims in the past have been well overstated, till I see a third party confirm that I'll decline to accept it.

This also assumes there is a Supercharger station available every 200 miles.

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Total charging time can be reduced by stopping more often and not fully charging the battery.


How will that affect battery life? I know certain chemistries do not like that.

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Lots of strategies, for example no reason not to leave the house fully charged.


I am not an idiot, that assumption was built into my calculations.

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If stopping for a meal you might charge longer than what would otherwise be optimal.


Assuming there's a Supercharger station available.

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Last charge you just need to charge enough to get home.


Last charge is just prior to arrival in NYC, still need to drive around there and since you're a visitor, there is no charging at home.

My calculations are just from Dallas to NYC as per Feet's statement, does not include the return trip, double everything for that. Furthermore I assumed zero wait time to charge. Doesn't matter is you want to try the 15 minute alleged quick charge f all the chargers are taken up by people doing the 51 minute charge.

Using Tesla's very own Supercharger planning site, estimated time to make the trip exceeds my own. 29 hours, 8 minutes.

https://www.tesla.com/trips#/?v=MS_2020_Performance&o=Dallas,%20TX,%20USA_Dallas%20Dallas%20County%20TX@32.7766642,-96.79698789999999&s=&d=New%20York,%20NY,%20USA_New%20York%20NY%20US@40.7127753,-74.0059728

Note it has you crossing the Mississippi on I40, bad routing there. My advice there is to charge up completely at your last stop in AR as you will be sitting in stop and go traffic for a substantial amount of time if you go that route.

As a comparison, same route via google maps for a gas car, 23 hours, 21 minutes.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Dallas,+TX/New+York,+NY/@36.6679328,-89.8930242,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x864c19f77b45974b:0xb9ec9ba4f647678f!2m2!1d-96.7969879!2d32.7766642!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c24fa5d33f083b:0xc80b8f06e177fe62!2m2!1d-74.0059728!2d40.7127753

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Anyone that has ever had to deal with hydrogen knows it's leaky. Can that be overcome yep, not cheaply though.


I'm sure those words were spoken about propane, natural gas and maybe even pocket cigarette lighters but it got figured out. Back in 1999 I was in Munich, Germany and saw several hydrogen powered BMW's running around town and the very strict Germany TUV and government didn't seem to have a problem with them. It will get worked out and be just as safe as your propane gas grill, gas/propane stove/oven, gas/propane HVAC home system and be much more convenient than charging a battery. Hydrogen/EV hybrid is the real future IMO....it's not too far around the corner.

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Trucking is also the perfect application for hydrogen for other reasons. Heavy loads tend to reduce range, meaning electric trucks need huge battery packs to maintain decent range--which adds further weight and can potentially limit payloads. The comparatively high energy density of hydrogen fuel negates this problem. There's also the obvious benefit of quick refueling, something which electric trucks can't yet match with even the fastest chargers.


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You dont want hydrogen unless you want 200hp muscle cars again like 1977. No energy in the fuel. Answer is EV and solid state batteries, set the power you need from 300-1300 and have a max 3000 mile range.

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Originally Posted by SRT6776
You dont want hydrogen unless you want 200hp muscle cars again like 1977. No energy in the fuel. Answer is EV and solid state batteries, set the power you need from 300-1300 and have a max 3000 mile range.


No batteries for me, I'm still a mechanical kind of guy...........still wearing an Omega mechanical wrist watch and cut with a gas powered Stihl chainsaw and mow the grass with a gas powered JD mower.....................................just no soul in an EV for me. It's still an art to make a watch tick mechanically as it is to make an internal combustion engine hum and produce a sound like a great musical instrument. The rest of the world can and will move on to lots and lots of EV's and that's okay and needs to happen...I'll try to hang on to my love of all things mechanical and treat it as I do now, as a HOBBY. Don't care to have a 1300 HP (or kw) golf cart that most anyone can drive by pushing a go pedal. Getting somewhat back to the original post, as I said right now everyone is making a big deal out of performance of a vehicle in a mere one thousand, three hundred and twenty feet.......whoppy ding grin wink

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Originally Posted by A12
Originally Posted by SRT6776
You dont want hydrogen unless you want 200hp muscle cars again like 1977. No energy in the fuel. Answer is EV and solid state batteries, set the power you need from 300-1300 and have a max 3000 mile range.


No batteries for me, I'm still a mechanical kind of guy...........still wearing an Omega mechanical wrist watch and cut with a gas powered Stihl chainsaw and mow the grass with a gas powered JD mower.....................................just no soul in an EV for me. It's still an art to make a watch tick mechanically as it is to make an internal combustion engine hum and produce a sound like a great musical instrument. The rest of the world can and will move on to lots and lots of EV's and that's okay and needs to happen...I'll try to hang on to my love of all things mechanical and treat it as I do now, as a HOBBY. Don't care to have a 1300 HP (or kw) golf cart that most anyone can drive by pushing a go pedal. Getting somewhat back to the original post, as I said right now everyone is making a big deal out of performance of a vehicle in a mere one thousand, three hundred and twenty feet.......whoppy ding grin wink


Enjoy it, I hate working on cars/engines anymore. I have an electric vacuum that autonomously cleans and goes back to its docking station, an e-cig helped me quit smoking and I have an e-bike that gets me out riding again and feels the same as I did as a 12 year old on my XR80. Yeah, I'll take an electric Mopar muscle car too. Why would I want to have any of this stuff break down and fix it? Screw that. They'll know it broke (not mechanically) and fix it while I sleep automatically. I'll own a vintage muscle car, as a garage toy conversation piece as some have trophy horses (as muscle mopars have already been for 30 years) I had a 392 8 years ago, yawn....do you?

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Originally Posted by SRT6776
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You dont want hydrogen unless you want 200hp muscle cars again like 1977. No energy in the fuel. Answer is EV and solid state batteries, set the power you need from 300-1300 and have a max 3000 mile range.


No batteries for me, I'm still a mechanical kind of guy...........still wearing an Omega mechanical wrist watch and cut with a gas powered Stihl chainsaw and mow the grass with a gas powered JD mower.....................................just no soul in an EV for me. It's still an art to make a watch tick mechanically as it is to make an internal combustion engine hum and produce a sound like a great musical instrument. The rest of the world can and will move on to lots and lots of EV's and that's okay and needs to happen...I'll try to hang on to my love of all things mechanical and treat it as I do now, as a HOBBY. Don't care to have a 1300 HP (or kw) golf cart that most anyone can drive by pushing a go pedal. Getting somewhat back to the original post, as I said right now everyone is making a big deal out of performance of a vehicle in a mere one thousand, three hundred and twenty feet.......whoppy ding grin wink


Enjoy it, I hate working on cars/engines anymore. I have an electric vacuum that autonomously cleans and goes back to its docking station, an e-cig helped me quit smoking and I have an e-bike that gets me out riding again and feels the same as I did as a 12 year old on my XR80. Yeah, I'll take an electric Mopar muscle car too. Why would I want to have any of this stuff break down and fix it? Screw that. They'll know it broke (not mechanically) and fix it while I sleep automatically. I'll own a vintage muscle car, as a garage toy conversation piece as some have trophy horses (as muscle mopars have already been for 30 years) I had a 392 8 years ago, yawn....do you?


I think everyone here gets it that you're an EV Fan Boy along with obviously being a Fan Boy of every new tech toy out there. laugh2

Does it bug you that much that many here don't feel the same way????? whistling

It must, because you keep championing EV's so much even after being told the majority here don't want one.


Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37367026/gm-recalls-all-chevy-bolts-battery-fire-risk/


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Originally Posted by A12
Originally Posted by SRT6776
You dont want hydrogen unless you want 200hp muscle cars again like 1977. No energy in the fuel. Answer is EV and solid state batteries, set the power you need from 300-1300 and have a max 3000 mile range.


everyone is making a big deal out of performance of a vehicle in a mere one thousand, three hundred and twenty feet.......whoppy ding grin wink


i thought the 1/4 mile was now `1000feet..,.

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An example of the penalties of RUSHING a product (That no one wants) to market:
https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37367026/gm-recalls-all-chevy-bolts-battery-fire-risk/


To be fair, this is GM we are talking about. They have trouble creating a steering column that does not kill people, let alone something as technical as an EV.


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Anyone that has ever had to deal with hydrogen knows it's leaky. Can that be overcome yep, not cheaply though.


I'm sure those words were spoken about propane, natural gas and maybe even pocket cigarette lighters but it got figured out. Back in 1999 I was in Munich, Germany and saw several hydrogen powered BMW's running around town and the very strict Germany TUV and government didn't seem to have a problem with them. It will get worked out and be just as safe as your propane gas grill, gas/propane stove/oven, gas/propane HVAC home system and be much more convenient than charging a battery. Hydrogen/EV hybrid is the real future IMO....it's not too far around the corner.


Gee, back in 99 you saw some hydrogen vehicles running around, here it is 2+ decades later and still none in production. At that rate if they ever solve the issue we will all long be dead and some archeologist will be digging us up as specimens.

I used to work in semiconductors and we used hydrogen for various things. We already know how to seal it, but it's not cheap. Heck, what powered the Saturn rockets into space when I was a kid? Hydrogen. Problem is that hydrogen is the smallest atom out there, so it likes to leak. You can't say that about propane, natural gas, butane or any other gas.

The issue isn't safety, hydrogen dissipates faster than any other fuel out there. The issue is not having fuel because it leaked away on you if everything isn't perfect.

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Originally Posted by SRT6776
You dont want hydrogen unless you want 200hp muscle cars again like 1977. No energy in the fuel.


So the 200hp internal combustion engines in "muscle cars" of 1977 did that on the same unlead premium fuel available then that makes 400hp to 600+hp in the muscle cars of today.............looks like someone figured it out. Can't understand how you can blame the 1977 fuel on the 200hp and not the lower compression, electronic engine management systems, catalytic restricted exhaust systems, etc., all regulated by the EPA and CARB to get CLEANER running motor vehicles that a hydrogen engine would have to incorporate. Apples to Oranges.

Someone will figure out how to get performance out of hydrogen.................

Using a V12 from the 760i modified to run on hydrogen and a very slippery body with a drag coefficient of .21, this BMW car set nine FIA certified hydrogen combustion records:


(and then there's always "American ingenuity" and I'll take my bet on US to figure out how to make hydrogen a performance fuel up )


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I see it's empty. Provide a listing of available production hydrogen powered cars and light trucks and their costs.

Toyota supposedly makes one, but it's not available. Hey, I can play that game too. I make a hydrogen powered half ton that get 500 MPGe, but it's not available.

In the software world that's called vaporware.

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I recently bought my son a $3,800 Nissan Leaf with a nearly new battery to drive to High School. Normally when I get a car its time to go through it and replace spark plugs, oil, trans and air filter, etc... There was nothing to do with this car. Going to the gas station is plugging it in to the house. Its not my cup of tea, but I get the attraction with almost zero maintenance, instant torque and no gas - and gas is around $4 a gallon here right now.

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I see it's empty. Provide a listing of available production hydrogen powered cars and light trucks and their costs.

Toyota supposedly makes one, but it's not available. Hey, I can play that game too. I make a hydrogen powered half ton that get 500 MPGe, but it's not available.

In the software world that's called vaporware.








Never said it's here, just saying it's coming.........how long has it been for pure EV's to get to this point and they still have issues with range and recharge time. Hydrogen fuel would solve those issues.


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yes but the point is that the hydrogen "pump" is next to a gasoline pump at a "gas station" that there are thousands of those "stations" already in place and have been for decades. How tough would it be to install at least one hydrogen pump at one out of every ten gas stations? Sure you can recharge at home but not if you're traveling............forgot no one does that anymore.

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