Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: KOS] #2954947
08/18/21 08:14 AM
08/18/21 08:14 AM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,310
Prospect, PA
BSB67 Offline
master
BSB67  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,310
Prospect, PA

Originally Posted by KOS
thx guys I'm gonna try the CH28 2x4 with a pair of 600 eddy carbs.....its been mid 11s with the stock 6bbl 3.55s and stock vert.


Great. Post your driving impressions and track results. It will be good to get real comparison data.

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: BSB67] #2954958
08/18/21 09:03 AM
08/18/21 09:03 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
the 600's are the same size venturi and throttle bore size that street hemi's, early s/s wedges and IIRC the old 409's had; definitely not on the large side. keep in mind that chrysler offered a larger set of carbs for the '67 hemi's (which were identical in throttle bore and venturi size as '67 440-375hp and '64 wedge s/s and 750 edelbrock) because the original carbs really weren't big enough. add another 75 cubes and the idea of larger carbs is more enticing. don't let cfm ratings and all that muck control your choices. the 650avs2 has a little larger secondary than the 600 plus an adjustable air valve. i also like the annular booster. i've been up/down/sideways and every direction you can go with my carbs and the truth is they're close to being the way they were as they came out of the box. i've always wanted to try a pair of 750's (they don't really do 750cfm) but been too cheap to buy a new set of carbs. i do believe my engine wouldn't have any issue with 750's. as far as WOT throttle goes my carbs are very smooth. no hesitations, hiccups, bogs, nothing; just smooth power. i run a progressive linkage like the street hemi's which is good for driving but not the greatest for trying to pedal the throttle in low gear. this set-up will flat blow-off the 275-60 tires i have on the back at will in low gear from any speed. very good mid-range power; even with a 3.23 gear. i can lug the car down to 15mph in high gear and just give it some throttle and it cleanly drives away. these quads are also the cleanest burning fuel system i've had. i used to be a die hard 6pak guy but this set-up has really changed my perspective. i like 6paks for shear power in a street engine but considering a ch28 set-up is half the price with fewer headaches the choice gets simpler. i'm not a fan of big holley type 4bbls and single plane intakes for street driving. they don't necessarily make power because the single carb is so wonderful but because the intake manifold flows more air; sometimes a lot more air than a dual plane. but, large venturi and throttle bores don't always mix air and fuel good at low rpms and for what i do i don't want to give up torque below 3500rpm.

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2954969
08/18/21 09:44 AM
08/18/21 09:44 AM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,761
Holland MI Ottawa
2
2boltmain Offline
master
2boltmain  Offline
master
2

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,761
Holland MI Ottawa
Originally Posted by lewtot184
i use a ch28 on one of my 440's with two 600 edelbrocks. absolutely without any doubt in my mind the most street friendly reliable intake system i've ever run. i'd use 750's on a big engine or at least two 650avs2's.


That setup looks perfect on the mopar440. In my opinion because of the mopars wide intake manifold I think dual under hood quads looks better on the 440 than the 454 and all other makes. Plus it pays homage to the days of more power mandating more carburetors.


Keep old mopars alive.
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: 2boltmain] #2954974
08/18/21 10:09 AM
08/18/21 10:09 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Originally Posted by lewtot184
i use a ch28 on one of my 440's with two 600 edelbrocks. absolutely without any doubt in my mind the most street friendly reliable intake system i've ever run. i'd use 750's on a big engine or at least two 650avs2's.


That setup looks perfect on the mopar440. In my opinion because of the mopars wide intake manifold I think dual under hood quads looks better on the 440 than the 454 and all other makes. Plus it pays homage to the days of more power mandating more carburetors.
i wanted to keep the '60's theme with the car. it's not over gadgetized with modern stuff.

20190818_115714.jpg
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2955036
08/18/21 01:59 PM
08/18/21 01:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,307
north of coder
moparx Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"
moparx  Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,307
north of coder
i have always wanted to try a ch28 with two 1 3/8" bore primary thermoquads. [800cfm ?]
i know i would have to fab some offset adapters because the ones available would [i think] not allow the carbs to bolt on because they would hit each other.
beer

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: moparx] #2955039
08/18/21 02:07 PM
08/18/21 02:07 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,761
Holland MI Ottawa
2
2boltmain Offline
master
2boltmain  Offline
master
2

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,761
Holland MI Ottawa
Originally Posted by moparx
i have always wanted to try a ch28 with two 1 3/8" bore primary thermoquads. [800cfm ?]
i know i would have to fab some offset adapters because the ones available would [i think] not allow the carbs to bolt on because they would hit each other.
beer


Offenhauser also still makes an under hood dual carb intake for the 440 with more carb spacing than the Edelbrock. But I have read the single plane Offenhauser is not as great a performer as the dual plane Edelbrock.


Keep old mopars alive.
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: 2boltmain] #2955046
08/18/21 02:57 PM
08/18/21 02:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,096
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,096
Bend,OR USA
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
[quote=moparx]i
But I have read the single plane Offenhauser is not as great a performer as the dual plane Edelbrock.
Your correct on that up
Been there, done that whiney realcrazy
The early Fire Power Hemi and inline dual quad wedge Mopar OEM motors came with single plane dual quad manifolds with progressive linkage, they flat suck compare to the stock 426 street Hemi motors with the dual plane intakes shruggy


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: 2boltmain] #2955052
08/18/21 03:24 PM
08/18/21 03:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,573
K
KOS Offline OP
pro stock
KOS  Offline OP
pro stock
K

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,573
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Originally Posted by moparx
i have always wanted to try a ch28 with two 1 3/8" bore primary thermoquads. [800cfm ?]
i know i would have to fab some offset adapters because the ones available would [i think] not allow the carbs to bolt on because they would hit each other.
beer


Offenhauser also still makes an under hood dual carb intake for the 440 with more carb spacing than the Edelbrock. But I have read the single plane Offenhauser is not as great a performer as the dual plane Edelbrock.


I already have access to the eddy intake and carbs so its even more simple.....now what about an air grabber breather setup for 2x4?I believe spacing on the hemi is different correct?

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: KOS] #2955065
08/18/21 04:31 PM
08/18/21 04:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
hemi carbs are further apart. you'll probably to get a little creative. it may be possible to take the edelbrock air cleaner base and adapt it to a factory base. the manifold height for the ch28 is noticeably taller than a stock iron 4bbl, and i think about 1/2" taller than a ch4b but shorter than a ch6 or RPM intake.

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2955195
08/18/21 10:51 PM
08/18/21 10:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,573
K
KOS Offline OP
pro stock
KOS  Offline OP
pro stock
K

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,573
Originally Posted by lewtot184
hemi carbs are further apart. you'll probably to get a little creative. it may be possible to take the edelbrock air cleaner base and adapt it to a factory base. the manifold height for the ch28 is noticeably taller than a stock iron 4bbl, and i think about 1/2" taller than a ch4b but shorter than a ch6 or RPM intake.


thx lew

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2955326
08/19/21 01:41 PM
08/19/21 01:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,307
north of coder
moparx Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"
moparx  Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,307
north of coder
Originally Posted by lewtot184
hemi carbs are further apart. you'll probably to get a little creative. it may be possible to take the edelbrock air cleaner base and adapt it to a factory base. the manifold height for the ch28 is noticeably taller than a stock iron 4bbl, and i think about 1/2" taller than a ch4b but shorter than a ch6 or RPM intake.



i forgot about the CH28 being taller than the CH4B. i already have a drop base air cleaner [moroso] on the T-Quad with the 5/8" thick adapter needed for the CH4B, and the stock hood on my charger barely shuts now. i guess the CH28 is out of the question to use.
i don't want to cut my hood for a scoop, so unless i can find a taller flat hood, i'm out of luck.
beer

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: moparx] #2955342
08/19/21 02:29 PM
08/19/21 02:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,992
Benton, IL.
D
DaveRS23 Offline
Special needs idiot
DaveRS23  Offline
Special needs idiot
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,992
Benton, IL.
Have you considered lowering the K member?


Master, again and still
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: moparx] #2955385
08/19/21 04:26 PM
08/19/21 04:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by lewtot184
hemi carbs are further apart. you'll probably to get a little creative. it may be possible to take the edelbrock air cleaner base and adapt it to a factory base. the manifold height for the ch28 is noticeably taller than a stock iron 4bbl, and i think about 1/2" taller than a ch4b but shorter than a ch6 or RPM intake.



i forgot about the CH28 being taller than the CH4B. i already have a drop base air cleaner [moroso] on the T-Quad with the 5/8" thick adapter needed for the CH4B, and the stock hood on my charger barely shuts now. i guess the CH28 is out of the question to use.
i don't want to cut my hood for a scoop, so unless i can find a taller flat hood, i'm out of luck.
beer
not cutting anything up on my '65's body was a prime objective. i have at least 1/2" of clearance between the hood and air cleaner wing nuts. my engine is in the stock location. the edelbrock alum air cleaner is a no go; way too tall.

Last edited by lewtot184; 08/19/21 04:28 PM.
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2955605
08/20/21 10:01 AM
08/20/21 10:01 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,573
K
KOS Offline OP
pro stock
KOS  Offline OP
pro stock
K

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,573
Originally Posted by lewtot184
Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by lewtot184
hemi carbs are further apart. you'll probably to get a little creative. it may be possible to take the edelbrock air cleaner base and adapt it to a factory base. the manifold height for the ch28 is noticeably taller than a stock iron 4bbl, and i think about 1/2" taller than a ch4b but shorter than a ch6 or RPM intake.



i forgot about the CH28 being taller than the CH4B. i already have a drop base air cleaner [moroso] on the T-Quad with the 5/8" thick adapter needed for the CH4B, and the stock hood on my charger barely shuts now. i guess the CH28 is out of the question to use.
i don't want to cut my hood for a scoop, so unless i can find a taller flat hood, i'm out of luck.
beer
not cutting anything up on my '65's body was a prime objective. i have at least 1/2" of clearance between the hood and air cleaner wing nuts. my engine is in the stock location. the edelbrock alum air cleaner is a no go; way too tall.


Lew any pix of your engine air cleaner setup?

Last edited by KOS; 08/20/21 10:03 AM.
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: KOS] #2955663
08/20/21 01:15 PM
08/20/21 01:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
this is what i'm currently using. adequate for the majority of my driving; small for racing.

100_0372.jpg
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: DaveRS23] #2955703
08/20/21 02:41 PM
08/20/21 02:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,307
north of coder
moparx Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"
moparx  Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,307
north of coder
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Have you considered lowering the K member?



that never crossed my mind. how much would be the max ? 1/2-3/4" ? work
beer

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2955739
08/20/21 04:11 PM
08/20/21 04:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,096
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,096
Bend,OR USA
I learned a long time ago that every time I made the B and RB motors consume more air and fuel, improved that, they all made more power at the track drag racing up Same thing on the street also devil
Go big or leave power on the table twocents work scope
If your going to run 2x4 on progressive linkage look at using a set of 750 or 800 CFM carbs twocents


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: Cab_Burge] #2955754
08/20/21 05:04 PM
08/20/21 05:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
my engine is 445". no big cam, compression, or professional done heads. no low gears or loose converter. but, i do believe it could handle 750's without a hiccup, and make a little more power.

Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: moparx] #2955794
08/20/21 08:19 PM
08/20/21 08:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,992
Benton, IL.
D
DaveRS23 Offline
Special needs idiot
DaveRS23  Offline
Special needs idiot
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,992
Benton, IL.
Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Have you considered lowering the K member?



that never crossed my mind. how much would be the max ? 1/2-3/4" ? work
beer


That is the range. I usually go as much as the steering column or radiator shroud will let me. If it were possible to mount your carb without the adapter (or mill the intake down that same amount), combined with the 'K' drop, it would give you over an inch of extra clearance to the hood.

I have an Indy intake and Dominator carb under the Shaker on my Cuda. Dropping the 'K', lowering the radiator, using a drop base air cleaner base, and modifying the air cleaner lid was the combo that made it possible. And you cannot tell it by looking at it. up


Master, again and still
Re: Intake for 500cube 440 [Re: DaveRS23] #2955827
08/20/21 09:59 PM
08/20/21 09:59 PM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 511
Temperance, MI
6
68 HEMI GTS Offline
mopar
68 HEMI GTS  Offline
mopar
6

Joined: May 2009
Posts: 511
Temperance, MI
Ive ran some smaller intakes on my 512. Streeter. It still ran like a bear. I went 10.95 with a ported six pack and 10.92 with a TM6 and a 4150/1050. I have a Indy single and a dominator on it currently and it feels stronger but, it’s gonna get the six pack when I put a 4 speed back in. The TM6 is surely one of my favorites for street duty.

552BD97E-614E-421E-8BD2-DE83308C8E93.jpeg

68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780#
69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1