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Race Car wiring #2949605
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What connectors do you use when wiring a race car? Which ones handle higher amperages? Seems like the weather pack connectors melt down at 30amps.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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I just use real 3M connectors rated for for the circuit im wiring. On many areas i prefer "non- insulated" and just use good quality heat shrink. I seem to get more consistent crimps ( weld joints) with non- insulated connectors.
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Re: Race Car wiring [Re: Dragula] #2949659
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I use kind of a mix of Metripack and weatherpack. I haven't had any issues yet. My fan plug can be questionable but it plugs directly into the fan and its a cheapo deal so I don't fault the connector.

I think the flagship is the Deutsh(spelling) connectors. They can get expensive and the good crimping tools can also be expensive.


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My weather pack ones for the fans, are the ones that melted down....Where do you guys source the good connectors and stuff?


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Race Car wiring [Re: Bad340fish] #2949670
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I used Deutsch connectors where ever possible on my Road Runner. So much nicer than Weather pack, or metri pack connectors. I have access to all three at work. I save all the connectors when we scrap out machines, and just buy new pins for them.


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Re: Race Car wiring [Re: JERICOGTX] #2949688
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30 amps is a bunch, for anything other than a starter on a race car. Weatherpacks are made for up to 10-12 gauge which should handle 30A fine. Is the motor a problem? Never seen one even half that. I've never had a hint of a problem with the Weatherpack stuff..

Is that one fan or multiples? On multiples, I use a separate relay and wiring for each motor.


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Re: Race Car wiring [Re: CMcAllister] #2949721
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Each fan had its own supply wire, but I put the grounds to one common one thru the weather pack.....So it was closer to 2 fans x 27amps each....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Try splitting the grounds to individuals all the way to the stud, chassis, buss or whatever the main ground is.


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Re: Race Car wiring [Re: CMcAllister] #2949827
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I just use spade connections

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My fan is close to 40 amps and I use a #10 wire and the correct matching pins in a weatherpak connector. Absolutely no issues. I suspect that you either had a bad crimp or undersized wiring or pins.


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Re: Race Car wiring [Re: JERICOGTX] #2950008
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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
I used Deutsch connectors where ever possible on my Road Runner. So much nicer than Weather pack, or metri pack connectors.



i like the Deutsch connectors as well. just make sure you have a quality tool to crimp them with.
as has also been stated, sometimes you need to use an un-insulated spade, ring, or pin. i like to use the ones that are tin plated, but i have also used bare copper as well.
when using shrink tubing, i have now started to use the marine grade, which has a sealer glue inside. just seems like an extra measure of keeping a good connection between the wire and the terminal.
beer

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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
I used Deutsch connectors where ever possible on my Road Runner. So much nicer than Weather pack, or metri pack connectors. I have access to all three at work. I save all the connectors when we scrap out machines, and just buy new pins for them.

x2!

Re: Race Car wiring [Re: HardcoreB] #2950696
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
I used Deutsch connectors where ever possible on my Road Runner. So much nicer than Weather pack, or metri pack connectors. I have access to all three at work. I save all the connectors when we scrap out machines, and just buy new pins for them.

x2!


I was wondering if I should switch....I have a pile of weather pack connectors though.

Also, what wire labler & lables are you all using?


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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What are Deutsch connectors, brand or type?
How about a picture of them please luck


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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
What are Deutsch connectors, brand or type?
How about a picture of them please luck


https://www.delcity.net/store/DEUTSCH-Connectors/p_822961

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The problem with Deutsch right now is in stock availability, like so much other stuff these days.


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I'm glad I ask and you guys help me see what they make, Thanks a lot bow
Nice looking parts up
I'm use to 3M brand Scotchlock connectors and the local parts store inventory on ends.


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Re: Race Car wiring [Re: Cab_Burge] #2951358
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Cab, if you are referring to the "cut into the wire squeeze with pliers-fold over cover" wire tap when you mention "scotchlocks", i rate them right up there with those "bolt on" battery terminal ends............
i REALLY don't like them ! tsk biggrin
just my opinion, your mileage will vary.
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I worked for a telephone company for 33 yrs, those Scotchlok type connectors are used in that industry, insert the wires and pushdown the lock in plug wrench
3M catered to that industry, we mainly use wire gauge from 19 to 26 gauge depending on how far the customer was from the central office shruggy
One time use only also shruggy


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