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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: 340Cuda] #2950268
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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
Randy Winberg who makes some of the best crankshafts in the world, told me it did not matter how a crankshaft was stored.
That is good enough for me.


If the crank was for NASA, I'm sure it would "matter". That is unless you were thinking like using it 100 years in the future.

Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: moparx] #2950804
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Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by GMP440
This topic totally went off topic. Well back to the topic. So, either standing the crank up or lying down is ok then.



yes..................... biggrin
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What, talking about wood case Model T batteries is out of bounds in this group? laugh2


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: jcc] #2950952
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Back in the day I used to be a crank-grinder and straightener...

If you store the cranks sideways, 'on a rack' then its a real bummer getting to the bottom ones... shruggy

But I remember my engineering master at school telling me the 'five-ninths' rule! argue

If you have a metal bar of say NINE feet long, then the two supporting places should be TWO feet in from each end leaving FIVE ninth's in the centre...

So if you are laying a crank on its side the supports should not be the large outer counter balancers, but the next ones in... iagree

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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: Gtxxjon] #2950960
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Did you look at the picture in the link of the hundreds of new crankshafts in the metal racks laying helter-skelter? And they were stacked 6 to 8 deep. Lots of weight on the lower ones with no particular pattern of position. That manufacturer is certainly not following your 'rule'.


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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: jcc] #2950976
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Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by GMP440
This topic totally went off topic. Well back to the topic. So, either standing the crank up or lying down is ok then.



yes..................... biggrin
beer


What, talking about wood case Model T batteries is out of bounds in this group? laugh2


Better not store those batteries on the ground tsk


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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: GTX MATT] #2951031
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If you go to the link mentioned, (https://phantombullet.net/threads/never-lay-a-crank-shaft-on-its-side.5367/) (first picture on page two), one of the repliers showed a pic of factory storage of finished cranks
and said the factory doesn't adhere to the BS about not storing cranks us-supported.

If you look closely, he is mistaken, the cranks ARE supported properly,
i.e. supports under the second main from each end and nesting slots for the balance throws.

Joe


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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: GTX MATT] #2951036
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Originally Posted by GTX MATT
Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by GMP440
This topic totally went off topic. Well back to the topic. So, either standing the crank up or lying down is ok then.



yes..................... biggrin
beer


What, talking about wood case Model T batteries is out of bounds in this group? laugh2


Better not store those batteries on the ground tsk



how about talking wood case model T coils instead ? biggrin
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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: DaveRS23] #2951457
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As the senior metallurgist for over 30 years, I must say this is the biggest pile of crap I heard in the past decade!

Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: Gtxxjon] #2951527
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But I remember my engineering master at school telling me the 'five-ninths' rule! argue
If you have a metal bar of say NINE feet long, then the two supporting places should be TWO feet in from each end leaving FIVE ninth's in the centre...


Oh yea" good ole Statics&Strength Of Materials.
But sectional dimensions come into play.
But a good practice for storing many types materials.

Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: robertop] #2951532
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Originally Posted by robertop
As the senior metallurgist for over 30 years, I must say this is the biggest pile of crap I heard in the past decade!


Thank you. I find this very annoying.


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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: INTMD8] #2951605
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Crankshafts are not 9 feet long and I agree this has got to be one of the most ignorant adult topics and ranks with the flat earth crap.

Im sure someone will toss in a large marine type crank as an example but this is a car site and we deal with automotive crankshafts.

Whens the last time we got a storage instruction sheet with a new crankshaft?




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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2951632
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Cranks take up less room at my shop when they are on end, and yes, occasionally they get hit and fall over like domino's! eek A wise sailor once said: "You rolls your dice, you takes your chances"...LOL


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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: Rhinodart] #2951648
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
Cranks take up less room at my shop when they are on end, and yes, occasionally they get hit and fall over like domino's! eek A wise sailor once said: "You rolls your dice, you takes your chances"...LOL


That is where I am at too.

I would lay them down so they don't get knocked over but I just don't have the room.

On Crankshafts that have crank sensor tone rings that can be easily damaged, I bolt them to a flywheel to prevent them from falling over.

Any automotive crank that would flex enough to be damaged when laying or standing would be worthless in an engine anyway.

Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: IMGTX] #2951666
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I used to hang mine but found out they got longer and would not fit in the block.

Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: NITROUSN] #2951670
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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
I used to hang mine but found out they got longer and would not fit in the block.

haha drumhit

Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: DrCharles] #2951747
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Nitrousn, that's the best one so far in this discussion!!!

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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: jlatessa] #2951816
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Some more free internet tips;

- Run a crank above 6k rpm and its stroke automagicly becomes larger, in fact turning itself into a stroker crank....

- If you have slightly oversized bearings, just store the crank in a strong vacuum chamber so the mains and journals swell up to the correct oversize overtime....


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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: BigBlockMopar] #2952026
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or if the journals are too big, store the crank in dry ice until it gets "freezer burn".
that will insure it stays shrunken when it thaws out............. biggrin
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Re: Cool discussion on laying a crankshaft on it's side [Re: BigBlockMopar] #2952050
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Originally Posted by BigBlockMopar
automagicly



Need to remember this "word". laugh2


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