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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: 3hundred] #2947503
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The pre 62 autos used a separate bellhousing which had to be dialed in to the torque converter hub when removed or the converter changed. The converter mounts directly to the crank. then the bellhousing to the bloc. per the FSM you heat the front of the converter to get it within spec which is +/- .0015 or .002. It's a trial and error until you get the hang of where and how much to heat> BTW you wont find this info in the trans section, it's at the back of the engine section. AMHIK. Failure to do the above will typically take out the front bushing in a short time. I'm also not sure if the bellhousing to block bolt pattern is the same
Should you really want to pursue this idea here's a pic of the front of the trans and I'll say you have bigger "cajones" Than I biggrinwhistling beer


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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: TJP] #2947577
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You ain’t kidding😬. I guess all I can hope for is to be able to work with the original engine and try to get it running right. I really want to retain the push button functionality of the transmission.

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2947584
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Is it a 2 speed Powerflyte or a 3 speed torqeflyte?


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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2947743
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Originally Posted by rapom
You ain’t kidding😬. I guess all I can hope for is to be able to work with the original engine and try to get it running right. I really want to retain the push button functionality of the transmission.


up Give us an update when you get the car. beer

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2947750
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Originally Posted by rapom
You ain’t kidding😬. I guess all I can hope for is to be able to work with the original engine and try to get it running right. I really want to retain the push button functionality of the transmission.


Imperial Services makes a kit to use your pushbutton shifter with a newer trans. At the bottom:

http://www.imperialservices.net/Cparts.html

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: Sniper] #2947778
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by rapom
You ain’t kidding😬. I guess all I can hope for is to be able to work with the original engine and try to get it running right. I really want to retain the push button functionality of the transmission.


Imperial Services makes a kit to use your pushbutton shifter with a newer trans. At the bottom:

http://www.imperialservices.net/Cparts.html
I have a friend who bought one of Imperial kits for using a GM250 O.D. tranny behind his M.W. 1963 plymouth, it wouldn't work so he sent it back to them.
He waited a long time after ordering it and to get it and then it wouldn't work down twocents


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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: Cab_Burge] #2947831
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
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Originally Posted by rapom
You ain’t kidding😬. I guess all I can hope for is to be able to work with the original engine and try to get it running right. I really want to retain the push button functionality of the transmission.


Imperial Services makes a kit to use your pushbutton shifter with a newer trans. At the bottom:

http://www.imperialservices.net/Cparts.html
I have a friend who bought one of Imperial kits for using a GM250 O.D. tranny behind his M.W. 1963 plymouth, it wouldn't work so he sent it back to them.
He waited a long time after ordering it and to get it and then it wouldn't work down twocents


They don't even list a kit for a GM trans. It's not claimed to be universal.

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: TJP] #2947878
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I’ll post some pictures when I get it home Saturday 🤞

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: Sniper] #2947885
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Thanks for the link. I see they are out of stock. I’ll have to call them up about when they can make more.

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: Sniper] #2947890
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Originally Posted by Sniper
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by rapom
You ain’t kidding😬. I guess all I can hope for is to be able to work with the original engine and try to get it running right. I really want to retain the push button functionality of the transmission.


Imperial Services makes a kit to use your pushbutton shifter with a newer trans. At the bottom:

http://www.imperialservices.net/Cparts.html
I have a friend who bought one of Imperial kits for using a GM250 O.D. tranny behind his M.W. 1963 plymouth, it wouldn't work so he sent it back to them.
He waited a long time after ordering it and to get it and then it wouldn't work down twocents


They don't even list a kit for a GM trans. It's not claimed to be universal.
According to him they sold him the kit saying it would work and it took forever to get. I wonder if they were developing it after he made his order.
He ended up getting another brand that does work up
My message is be careful when dealing with them twocents

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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: Cab_Burge] #2949322
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Here’s a pic of the car. I posted more pics on the general forum.

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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2949491
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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2949526
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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: TJP] #2949613
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Thanks guys

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2949633
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wow!!!

what's wrong with the 361 ? ( aside the lack of available pistons for them ).


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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2949634
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Originally Posted by rapom
Thanks for the info everybody. Just trying to figure out all my options. And it looks like the easy option is not a option.🤔. I might be getting a car with a tired 361.


If you have a nice 383, just go find a newer 727, mate them up and put them in together. That of just get the 361 running as best you can and drive it until it fails.


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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: rapom] #2949635
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Originally Posted by rapom
Here’s a pic of the car. I posted more pics on the general forum.


dam that is sexy.


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Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2949654
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I've been told a '65-only 727 will work with a later 383 and the pushbuttons, because of the compatible "rooster comb" still in use that year.
2 guys that should definitely know from experience have told me that.

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: topside] #2949672
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The pre-62 transmissions are a different trans altogether and do not have a park mechanism relying on a brake band mounted to the back of the trans instead. One may be able to make something work but it's not going to be a plug and play deal. May be more information on the Forward Look site beer

Re: 1959 361ci. swap to 383 [Re: TJP] #2949997
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the 65 only transmission works with the 62-64 pushbutton with the park lever.
it is desirable because it has a slip yoke instead of the ball and trunnion u-joint, while still using the two cables necessary for the pushbutton shifter.
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