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Re: 5-Point Seat Belt Install [Re: moparx] #2944854
07/19/21 02:21 PM
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I think the 2-year belt rule is a case of aftermarket support from NHRA.
Same deal on trans blankets, isn't it ?
I've, um, tested a 20-year-old OEM shoulder/lap belt, though at about 30 MPH, it did its job.
And its retractor also worked as intended.
I'm not arguing that the OEM belts are as good as race belts, just saying that the "exposure" argument seems contrived.

Re: 5-Point Seat Belt Install [Re: jcc] #2944921
07/19/21 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Remember, shoulder belts stop your upper torso from going forward only, the seat belts stop you from going forward and up. So I would set them angling back or to the back seat belt holes. Pretty much in same line as with a cross bar behind seat.


Since we are NOT referring to highly reclined single open wheel seating, it has to be noted, any seat strap has to be restrained at each end to be effective.
Most comments here are focusing on only one end of the shoulder belt, the downside of improper positioning is spine compression, not good.

But what I see overlooked, the other end of the shoulder belt attaches to the hopefully across the hips, lap belt.

When the upper torso in an accident moves forward, and applies tension to shoulder harness, the end attached to the lap belt pulls the belt up into the stomach area. A lap belt across the hips is properly containing the largest bone structure in the body. A lap belt that crosses the lower stomach area is in one of the most vulnerable/softest parts of the human body. The misnamed 5th "submarine belt" in our upright seating sedan cars is what prevents the shoulder harness from pulling up the lap belt into the kidneys,liver, pancreas, bladder, etc. in an accident.
Your gonads are of minor concern here. Positioning well the 5th belt is nearly as important as the shoulder belt mounts.

Agree totally

Re: 5-Point Seat Belt Install [Re: cudaman1969] #2945045
07/20/21 07:11 AM
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If your concern is the old factory belts , Why not just replace the OEM unit with an aftermarket 5 point set and only use the lap belt ?? That will give you as good if not better safety than the original one and not mess with your car .


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Re: 5-Point Seat Belt Install [Re: Kindafast] #2945090
07/20/21 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Kindafast
If your concern is the old factory belts , Why not just replace the OEM unit with an aftermarket 5 point set and only use the lap belt ?? That will give you as good if not better safety than the original one and not mess with your car .


I have thought about doing as you are suggesting but I still want some sort of upper body restraint. I'm going to see if I can get a custom belt made that would include a 2 or 3" belt that would attach to the B-post OEM belt mounting point similar to OEM belt set-up

Re: 5-Point Seat Belt Install [Re: CMcAllister] #2945098
07/20/21 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
You're only going 80. But in Stock, you can have guys in the other lane going over 160, on 9" tires, and on the brakes.

Just saying.

A little different than the street class at the local track.



My thoughts exactly! during "test and tune" events, no telling who's in the other lane.

What are ya gonna do, wave the quicker cars by till a 15 second car shows up?

Another thought occurred to me, does your Neon have reinforced tabs for anchoring a child seat in the rear.

If these are high enough they might be a spot you could reinforce to support your shoulder harness, I had a set years ago that was extra long to attach to the rear seat belt anchors on my Challenger.

Last edited by geo.; 07/20/21 10:56 AM.
Re: 5-Point Seat Belt Install [Re: geo.] #2945158
07/20/21 12:27 PM
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Weld an 1/8 plate to each B pillar. Weld a 1 1/4 moly or 1 5/8 bar in between the plates. Anchor the shoulder belt as it should be, support the seat also. This stiffens the car, makes your belts safe and seat safer

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