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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29380
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Great low lift #'s. Did you do much with the push rod pinch?

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: MR_P_BODY] #29381
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Very informative. Nice work on the ports.

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So Dwayne, what would the stock head flow before
cutting the tree limbs out of the way(nothing done)
just a average number intake and exhaust?





I would also like an answer to this please

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: ccdave] #29382
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Mr. P body, the stock 906's ive tested have flowed from the mid-220's to as well as the high 230's with no porting.
just depends on the head.
most std exhaust ports are in the low-mid-150's.

CCDave, it basically took me 2hrs per head to update the porting. its about 30mins per cylinder, and thats broken down to about 22mins per intake port, 8mins per exhaust(in this instance), and about 15-17mins of what was done to the intake port was spent reshaping the short turn.

on a 346/902/452 head.....it would have been about 60-70% of that amount of time(less than 1.5hrs per head).

nonetheless, a nearly 30cfm gain on both sides of the head, well within a usable lift range, for 4hrs labor....is well worth the time and effort IMO.

the pushrod pinch area has been smoothed and blended some by whoever did the original porting.
i didnt even measure the width at the pinch.....but i'll check a few of them tomorrow and see about where they are.
i didnt do any additional work in that area of the head.


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29383
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Great info Dwayne


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29384
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Very good info.Thanks for taking the time to post and the pictures too!!


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29385
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Dwayne - for the seats, VJ, and porting, safe to assume around $500 - $600 into the set of heads? Just asking to point out cost comparisions to Eddy heads. I'm still a firm believer that OEM heads still have their place today.

You can sure tell the difference between the 2 VJ's. Whoever did them, they had a pretty wide seat from the looks of the pic.

Great post as usual


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29386
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the numbers....side by side

intake port:

lift----B/A---gain
.100--73.1/69.5-- -3.6
.200-133.7/145.5- +11.8
.300-196.4/208.5- +12.1
.400-237.1/257.9- +20.8
.450-241.9/270.7- +28.8
.500-240.3/265.9- +25.6
.550-243.5/269.1- +25.6
.600-241.9/270.7- +28.8
.650-233.9/267.5- +33.6
.700-230.7/261.5- +30.8

exhaust port:

lift----B/A---gain
.100--55.9/56.3-- +0.4
.200-112.3/112.3- +0.0
.300-151.5/158.4- +6.9
.400-163.5/179.2- +15.7
.450-167.4/187.1- +19.7
.500-168.7/189.7- +21.0
.550-168.7/194.9- +26.2
.600-167.4/197.5- +30.1
.650-167.4/201.4- +34.0
.700-166.1/204.1- +38.0


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: Mills] #29387
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Dwayne - for the seats, VJ, and porting, safe to assume around $500 - $600 into the set of heads?




Mills.....the price to update these heads is going to be about $580-$600.

-disassemble heads, flow test
-install hardened exhaust seats
-machine seats and bowls
-back cut intake valves
-4hrs porting + additional flow testing
-wash heads & parts, assemble, set spring pressures

if they were being done from scratch, to this same level of modification(parts and labor), they would easily cost a few hundred more than a new set of E heads.


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29388
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Iron heads shall rise again...LOL!

This topic proves it's worthwhile sending your heads to someone that does porting all the time & uses a flow bench

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29389
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Great info Dwayne. These are my 906 heads on my 63 that I did and installed the 2.14 and 1.81 valves. Hope they work good enough to beat my boys Dart. Ron


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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29390
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I figured it would be in that range. I re-read my other post - I meant the BEFORE seat width looked wide when compared to yours. Sorry

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29391
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this is what the finished job looks like.
i didnt do anything to the port openings because at this stage of the game, thats purely eye candy.







What have you found as far as "results" on a high-polish in the combustion chambers ?

Or is that just eye-candy ?

And on a typical 906 or 452 ....what is the diff in CC's in that chamber ....dead-stock vs highly polished ?

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no big deal but would be nice if the poster/teacher could make ALL his posts/points one right after the other BEFORE any other comments are posted.
sort of like a professor gives his lesson and then opens it up for debate.
no big deal though - good info.

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How many other head porters would take you step-by-step thru his process, explaining with pics what, how and why he does what he does? That's intellectual property ! Thanks Dwayne, for your unselfish contributions. As always, you da man!

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: mark_gates] #29394
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Great info here Dwayne.... I have done a set of 452's at home and I just tried to copy what I saw him do and follow his lead. I have no practical knowledge of reshaping the short turn on the intake side so all I did was give it a gentle radius. This is archive material for sure... TBF

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: tpabayflyer] #29395
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This is archive material for sure... TBF




Yepper.

Soon as the chatter dies down it's going to get moved!

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: fast68plymouth] #29396
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Hey
Did you happen to get a good shot of the before and after of the short tun rework???

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: ZIPPY] #29397
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This is archive material for sure... TBF




Yepper.

Soon as the chatter dies down it's going to get moved!



And for those who aren't aware, there are already a couple of Dwayne's old threads on OEM heads (prep work & porting results) in the Tech Archive section that are well worth looking over if this thread captures your interest.

In no particular order:
http://www.moparts.com/Tech/Archive/bb/62.html
http://www.moparts.com/Tech/Archive/bb/40.html
http://www.moparts.com/Tech/Archive/bb/42.html

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Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: ccdave] #29398
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Dwayne,

What happened on the Intake side at .450? Flow went from 257.9 at .400 to 270 at .450, then back down to 265.9 at .500. Looks like turbulance starts at the .650 range so the rise in flow, than the dip between .400 and .500 seems odd.
lift----I/E
.100--69.5/56.3
.200-145.5/112.3
.300-208.5/158.4
.400-257.9/179.2
.450-270.7/187.1
.500-265.9/189.7
.550-269.1/194.9
.600-270.7/197.5
.650-267.5/201.4
.700-261.1/204.1

Re: 906 heads, home port vs. "Pro" job [Re: mark_gates] #29399
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How many other head porters would take you step-by-step thru his process, explaining with pics what, how and why he does what he does? That's intellectual property ! Thanks Dwayne, for your unselfish contributions. As always, you da man!




I agree""

I myself made the classic mistake of not touching the short turn. Dwayne unselfishly showed me what I did wrong and even fixed a port for so I could use it as a example to fix the rest. Great guy my hats off to him. mike


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