Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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No but thanks for the heads up, I will check it out when I get a chance.
It's been done before so I wonder what twists and turns they threw in.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Anyone watch it? Interesting results. Has me wondering if the cams should have shared the same lift but otherwise been customized to suite each engine best. How about a link to it so we can watch it For free? Not happening. Need to pay Motor Trend. Maybe in a couple years they will let you watch it for free.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Anyone watch it? Interesting results. Has me wondering if the cams should have shared the same lift but otherwise been customized to suite each engine best. How about a link to it so we can watch it For free? Not happening. Need to pay Motor Trend. Maybe in a couple years they will let you watch it for free. Yeah, I've seen some bootleg episodes show up on youtube, but they seem few and far between. This is my first year subscribing, not the worst $24 I've spent.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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We have Amazon Prime and the first few episodes were free. Not particularly useful in the real world, IMHO, but entertaining. Then, up jumped the devil, for a small amount of filthy lucre per month you can continue viewing. Nope. Ain't worth it. Ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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It is annoying. Pay for cable, amazon prime, apple TV, then everything I want to watch has an additional fee And then, at least with cable, have a bunch of the viewing time you paid for taken up by commercials. But then again, some of them are more entertaining than the actual programming.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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I ain't paying to watch it but I would throw out there that if the hemi was 440 CID and the 6 pack was a 426 CID we would never have a discussion about witch one made more power or was faster, slide 440CID under the hemi heads and the hemi then compare, nobody ever compares a 426 street wedge to a hemi.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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It was too easy to not do it, here. Wife cut the cable b/c it was her bill and nobody was even watching it. Cranked up the internet speed/needed it working from home. Went to a streaming TV which also liked the higher speed internet, and then motor trend had the $1 per month sale....that seemed okay, so why not. That's a whole lot less than what I used to spend on magazines. It's been awhile since they did that, and the deal is turned off for now. https://www.motortrend.com/news/get-best-deal-ever-stream-motortrend-1-month/
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Pretty much agree with you there CAB--An equally built Wedge will usually outperform a HEMI at least IME. Not a real big Hemi fan here other than looks and hype I don't find them worth it. J.Rob
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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I just finished it and it was very interesting!
It's the same thing that had been said for years.
You have to spin the HEMI hard to get it to run. Not so much with the 440 as it makes tons more low end torque.
Here is a screenshot of the runs overlaid. Red is 440, black is Hemi.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Very interesting to see the dyno data, but they brought up a good question, how would each motor do in the same car. I'd like to drive it both ways and find out.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Actually a 426 max wedge v/s hemi would be an interesting shootout. I'd like to see a small block vs gen 3 hemi shootout - maybe what can be built for 5k. Small block stroker vs 6.4 would be interesting as well.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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You can build a 440 to have more power than a Hemi, then try to sell either. Buyers are standing in line to pay big bucks for the Hemi and you have to give away the wedge, facts of life folks. One other thing, I haven’t seen any 68 440 Darts or Cudas in Super Stock trim run as fast as the Hemi ones yet.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Hemi heads like RPM or CID to do their thing. Throw another 100 cubic inches at the Hemi heads and they shine. Comparing wedge to Hemi heads is basically comparing station wagon heads to race car heads. And the results are just about what you would expect. In stock form the wedge heads have tons of low end but run out of steam pretty quick. While the race heads loose down low, but then they pull and pull and pull. We've known this for 50+ years.
But the big downsides of expense and various assembly difficulties keep the Hemis down.
And if you start comparing aftermarket heads, the Hemi is even more the King. But still overly expensive and unnecessarily complicated.
That's my two cents, anyway.
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Re: Engine Masters: 6pack vs HEMI
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Why would the cams be even remotely similar? To demonstrate the difference in capability between head designs?
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