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Why the restriction in the intake? #2934514
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found this on craigslist. Says it is a factory sb intake.
I don't remember ever seeing one with stuff blocking the intake like this. Why did they do that?

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Andrewh] #2934519
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much higher port velocity at low speed..

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: ph23vo] #2934524
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long skinny runners and small port volume all designed to improve throttle response and MPG. Gimmick. All it really is a is a governor restricting power over about 1500 RPM.


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: ph23vo] #2934525
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Stock single plane four barrel intake? The only stock single plane intake I've ever seen was a two barrel for a 273.


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: 6PakBee] #2934555
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Thats an Edelbrock streetmaster intake, you can just barley see where the name is in the casting at the back of the drivers side.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Andrewh] #2934758
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Perhaps Edelbrock did that to equalize the 8 intake runner flows.

I personally never could understand the successful “6 Pak” idea of how six carbs could better feed 8 cylinder runners but historically it worked.
Experiment tops theory.

That is an eight sided flow rediredtor over top 8 runners.

In mineral processing the engineer is constantly challenged by taking the output of one pump and dividing it to 5 screens, or 9 shaking tables, or 16 froth flotation cells, etc, and like an engine manifold that has air and gasoline droplets, the pump and pipes have water and various sized rock particles that tend to separate at ever turn. It is more art than science to end up with equal divisions of mixtures in the real world.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: 360view] #2934773
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I've always thought that the paired intake runners lent the 440s to
run better with the end carbs on a six pack more directly feeding those paired runners.

Now on the Hemi, dual 4s better accommodate the separated intake runners.

Just my 2 cents....

Joe

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Originally Posted by 360view
Perhaps Edelbrock did that to equalize the 8 intake runner flows.

I personally never could understand the successful “6 Pak” idea of how six carbs could better feed 8 cylinder runners but historically it worked.
Experiment tops theory.

That is an eight sided flow rediredtor over top 8 runners.

In mineral processing the engineer is constantly challenged by taking the output of one pump and dividing it to 5 screens, or 9 shaking tables, or 16 froth flotation cells, etc, and like an engine manifold that has air and gasoline droplets, the pump and pipes have water and various sized rock particles that tend to separate at ever turn. It is more art than science to end up with equal divisions of mixtures in the real world.


I think you are on the right track but I would think it is to centralize the flow from the carburetor. Running on just the primaries is offset from the center of the opening.


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: 6PakBee] #2934776
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Yeah street master for economey.But 100 bucks for one? Hmm I have one in the garage that would go for 1/2 that much.Bought it used years ago for the sons truck and never used it.Think I paid 40 or 50 for it back then.Rocky


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: jlatessa] #2934802
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Originally Posted by jlatessa
I've always thought that the paired intake runners lent the 440s to
run better with the end carbs on a six pack more directly feeding those paired runners.

Now on the Hemi, dual 4s better accommodate the separated intake runners.

Just my 2 cents....

Joe

Stock Hemi intake always had distribution problems, they did many carb mods thru the years instead of making a new intake. That SB manifold is only good for the aluminum

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Andrewh] #2934825
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Originally Posted by Andrewh
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found this on craigslist. Says it is a factory sb intake.
I don't remember ever seeing one with stuff blocking the intake like this. Why did they do that?

Pure junk, run, run far away from it.
Those manifolds didn't work from day one on any brand motor down , thus not being popular and successful shruggy


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2934874
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I laugh at them when I see dudes set them out for sale at swap meets. Same goes for the crappy SP2P POS intakes. Doc Fiberglass loves them.
I had an SP2P on a mild 360 and that dude just bogged at anything over 3000 rpms. I needed a cheap 4 barrel intake at the time and took a chance on a $25 intake. When I pulled it, I measured the ports and compared them to a Weiand and a stock iron 2 barrel. The SP2P was 3/16" smaller in each direction compared to the stock 2 barrel intake. What a POS.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Andrewh] #2934938
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I had one of those turds for a while. Came on some engine I bought. I threw it in the recycle bin. That intake isn't worth $100, might be worth $20 if you want to take some weight off the nose of your grandma's 318 Dart.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: AndyF] #2934944
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I still see those around on swap meet tables occasionally. It's like people buy them, figure what it was they bought, and then put them back up for sale later. fan

I imagine it's like driving with a 2x wood block wedged under the gas pedal - going nowhere in a hurry.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Andrewh] #2935363
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My brother ran one of those on his 72 Coronet 318 for years. 2.73 axle auto. Swapped the leaking 2bbl instead of rebuilding it. If you aren't looking to race they work nice.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: MoonshineMattK] #2935372
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Just need to b a bit creative.


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2935407
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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Andrewh] #2935714
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The factory intake is the better intake by far.

Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2935771
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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Just need to b a bit creative.



Liked the workmanship shown in the picture, when it was there. Looked to be a major improvement. Don't know if it worked, but it would sure be worth a try.


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Re: Why the restriction in the intake? [Re: John Brown] #2935964
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J Brown I tried to send you a PM. But they make a great cheater intake with mods and alot of work, its just a overcast torker more or less, although many hate the torker intakes as well.

How many intakes can you actually adjust your runner size. With the modified plenum and runners on a high comp X head 318, now 349 (offset crank) the masses think its a choked 318 and really ive made more street cash with this illusion then with my purpose built car... of course im racing slower cars of all types who think all 318-s are 185hp and a few who think im running a choked up build.


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