Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
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06/15/21 08:29 AM
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Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.
There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
[Re: dthemi]
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06/15/21 01:08 PM
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Here's one I just finished and dynoed Thursday. Very nice! If you don't mind sharing, what compression ratio and head flow? Thank you.
69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
[Re: mopar dave]
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06/15/21 02:48 PM
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Before I bought my hemi for my 66 dart, I wanted to build a 700/800 hp street G2 , 1st I was advised to use Arruzza, couldn't get a hold of them(him) then I reached out to Barton, told him this what i wanted ,he wasn't too forth coming with specs or a time frame, I can understand that ,no one knows what parts availability is going to be in 3 -4 months....... I , called FHO and he wouldn't stop talking, kept trying to sell me on something that, yes I could expand on but that wasn't my goal at the time Called Indy and I know it's under new ownership but I didn't like the vibe I was getting.......can't explain it ,it just felt like the guy on the phone thought I was wasting his time. I was going to bite the bullet and by a 528 I saw on E-bay and then have my uncle go thru it , then the TFX I have became available so I bought that and changed the direction of my build.......I do think Barton would of been the best option for my "street build" but I think FHO would of been better for where I want to go know.
04 Ram 4x2 11.66@ 122 4750LBS ...phat pig Moves for fully loaded truck with NA 345ci Hemi 2020 1320 Challenger....stock daily driver.
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
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06/16/21 05:13 PM
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Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.
There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level. I would love to know how Dave Dudek makes 1000hp through factory manifolds. Also curious what the dyno curve of his engine looks like
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
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06/17/21 11:26 AM
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Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.
There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level. I would love to know how Dave Dudek makes 1000hp through factory manifolds. Also curious what the dyno curve of his engine looks like Me too! I bet there's a whole bunch of fancy/expensive/creative stuff inside that motor. It's definitely a bada$$ piece! Even though everything gets modified and massaged, it's still crazy it makes the power it does w/ what he's forced to use.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
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06/18/21 10:45 AM
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Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.
There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level. I would love to know how Dave Dudek makes 1000hp through factory manifolds. Also curious what the dyno curve of his engine looks like Me too! I bet there's a whole bunch of fancy/expensive/creative stuff inside that motor. It's definitely a bada$$ piece! Even though everything gets modified and massaged, it's still crazy it makes the power it does w/ what he's forced to use. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/dave-dudeks-840hp-498ci-1969-plymouth-road-runner/ This was one of his previous builds. gives a good idea what some of the tricks are.
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
[Re: mopar dave]
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06/19/21 01:22 AM
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton
[Re: mopar dave]
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06/22/21 06:48 AM
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looks like you are on the right track !!! mine is a indy alumium block ,callies 4.750 crank, oliver rods 7.100, diamond pistons 12.2 to 1 final compression stage v big valve heads flow was 450 at 700 lift ray barton T-D rockers comp roller cam 720 lift intake and 690 ex comp roller lifters milodon gear drive pretty reliable combo it has over 8000 street miles ran the best N/A 9.60 at 142mph on 93 octane and 8.93 on pumpgas at 152mph at 3910 lbs then i went and messed this perfect combo up and changed the cam and compression put a F-2 procharger on it with a FAST efi system LOL
Last edited by 572charger; 06/22/21 06:49 AM.
606 hemi pump gas best 9.60 at 142mph on motor 05 hemi daytona 1500 go-mango 4wd quadcab 2007 hotrod mag pump gas drags runner up, roadkill nights dodge big tire winner 2018 2019 back to back
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