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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: dthemi] #2933451
06/15/21 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dthemi

Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.


iagree There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level.


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'71 Demon 340 resto project
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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: dthemi] #2933555
06/15/21 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dthemi
Here's one I just finished and dynoed Thursday.


Very nice! If you don't mind sharing, what compression ratio and head flow? Thank you.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2933588
06/15/21 02:48 PM
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Before I bought my hemi for my 66 dart, I wanted to build a 700/800 hp street G2 , 1st I was advised to use Arruzza, couldn't get a hold of them(him) then I reached out to Barton, told him this what i wanted ,he wasn't too forth coming with specs or a time frame, I can understand that ,no one knows what parts availability is going to be in 3 -4 months....... I , called FHO and he wouldn't stop talking, kept trying to sell me on something that, yes I could expand on but that wasn't my goal at the time Called Indy and I know it's under new ownership but I didn't like the vibe I was getting.......can't explain it ,it just felt like the guy on the phone thought I was wasting his time. I was going to bite the bullet and by a 528 I saw on E-bay and then have my uncle go thru it , then the TFX I have became available so I bought that and changed the direction of my build.......I do think Barton would of been the best option for my "street build" but I think FHO would of been better for where I want to go know.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: Taylor] #2933760
06/15/21 11:03 PM
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I had always wanted to build a Hemi. Having owned many small block and big block engines, though all strictly for street, I was ready for something different. Tim Banning was having a sale on the ported Stage V heads. I called him and he was a huge help. I told him I knew little about building Hemi's. He made some recommendations and didn't make me feel like I was any less important than the customers buying fully built engines. I received the heads and they are just beautiful. He also recommended a custom grind cam that would work well with those heads for street driving. He had this drop shipped directly from Comp Cams. I had a World Products Hemi block already, so it all went off to my engine guy. This 500 ci Hemi made a little over 660 HP and around 640 lb/ft of torque. Runs like a luxury car until the throttle is nailed, then it is a beast.

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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2934000
06/16/21 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by dthemi

Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.


iagree There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level.


I would love to know how Dave Dudek makes 1000hp through factory manifolds. Also curious what the dyno curve of his engine looks like

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: MoonshineMattK] #2934204
06/17/21 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonshineMattK
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by dthemi

Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.


iagree There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level.


I would love to know how Dave Dudek makes 1000hp through factory manifolds. Also curious what the dyno curve of his engine looks like

Me too! I bet there's a whole bunch of fancy/expensive/creative stuff inside that motor. It's definitely a bada$$ piece!
Even though everything gets modified and massaged, it's still crazy it makes the power it does w/ what he's forced to use.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda...8 sec street car
'69 road runner 440 w/ Indy SRs
'69 road runner 440-6, 4 speed...Dad's ride
'71 Demon 340 resto project
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax...toy hauler
'16 Grand Caravan SXT...baby hauler
Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2934480
06/18/21 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by MoonshineMattK
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by dthemi

Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.


iagree There's a whole bunch of expensive and fancy stuff that isn't needed at this level.


I would love to know how Dave Dudek makes 1000hp through factory manifolds. Also curious what the dyno curve of his engine looks like

Me too! I bet there's a whole bunch of fancy/expensive/creative stuff inside that motor. It's definitely a bada$$ piece!
Even though everything gets modified and massaged, it's still crazy it makes the power it does w/ what he's forced to use.


https://www.hotrod.com/articles/dave-dudeks-840hp-498ci-1969-plymouth-road-runner/

This was one of his previous builds. gives a good idea what some of the tricks are.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: HemiDart68] #2934656
06/18/21 06:51 PM
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I spoke with Dave about a combo he built similar to the 572 i'm getting together. Think he said it should make 900hp.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: HemiDart68] #2934658
06/18/21 06:56 PM
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I'm told T&D will be my best option for rocker. Gonna pushrod oil it. Does Ray Barton have his own rocker design or is he selling T&D's over there?

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2934748
06/19/21 01:22 AM
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Barton design, T&D producing


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: Superfreak] #2934777
06/19/21 09:28 AM
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I will have to call and get pricing on his. Any idea what the differences are between the two?

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2934871
06/19/21 02:42 PM
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Was about $1k over the Stage V when I built mine. Stage V was back ordered so I ponied up the extra cash.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: gsmopar] #2934888
06/19/21 03:37 PM
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I was gonna use stage v rockers, but Best told me they don’t think they oil well enough for street.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2935523
06/22/21 06:48 AM
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looks like you are on the right track !!! mine is a indy alumium block ,callies 4.750 crank, oliver rods 7.100, diamond pistons 12.2 to 1 final compression stage v big valve heads flow was 450 at 700 lift ray barton T-D rockers comp roller cam 720 lift intake and 690 ex comp roller lifters milodon gear drive pretty reliable combo it has over 8000 street miles ran the best N/A 9.60 at 142mph on 93 octane and 8.93 on pumpgas at 152mph at 3910 lbs then i went and messed this perfect combo up and changed the cam and compression put a F-2 procharger on it with a FAST efi system LOL

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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: 572charger] #2935531
06/22/21 08:04 AM
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12.2:1 on pump gas? Thats cool. If i go 12.5:1 it shouldn't require much race fuel in the mix. I will use Callies Compstar crank and rods, just got the rods last week. Heads are on the way and once i cc them, will get the CP pistons ordered thru Best.

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