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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: lancer493] #2929119
06/01/21 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lancer493
.... One thing that was mentioned here was how many people were using only a single line external pick up capping off a second line ,and maintaining good lubrication performance even at upper rpm levels. What hadn't occurred to me til now is the possibility of ,after being shut down for an extended period of time, the same oil pump may have to refill two empty pick up lines (twice the volume) theoretically taking twice the time.


No matter if using single or double line, the pump will remain primed if the single or 2 lines are placed anywhere above the pump.

The oil level in the lines will not be below the oil level in the pan. They will not empty if there is oil in the pan.

Some will claim that their car can defy the laws of physics.



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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: jughed] #2929181
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Originally Posted by jughed
Originally Posted by lancer493
.... One thing that was mentioned here was how many people were using only a single line external pick up capping off a second line ,and maintaining good lubrication performance even at upper rpm levels. What hadn't occurred to me til now is the possibility of ,after being shut down for an extended period of time, the same oil pump may have to refill two empty pick up lines (twice the volume) theoretically taking twice the time.


No matter if using single or double line, the pump will remain primed if the single or 2 lines are placed anywhere above the pump.

The oil level in the lines will not be below the oil level in the pan. They will not empty if there is oil in the pan.

Some will claim that their car can defy the laws of physics.


Then maybe I have no problem, I do appreciate you clearing this up.

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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2929332
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I work on a lot of large reciprocating compressors that are built just like engines on the bottom end with shell bearings and gear pumps. Those compressors have oil failure controls that have a thermal timer to allow for oil pressure delay on startup. If it makes you feel any better, those time delays are from 45-120 seconds to avoid nuisance trips of the control and the go 0 to 1750 rpm in a split second, to full load.

Are you using through the pushrod oiling and what rockers? What's the lash set to? I'm just thinking of how much volume there is to refill in your motor when it's been sitting for a while.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: Uberpube] #2929354
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Originally Posted by Uberpube
I work on a lot of large reciprocating compressors that are built just like engines on the bottom end with shell bearings and gear pumps. Those compressors have oil failure controls that have a thermal timer to allow for oil pressure delay on startup. If it makes you feel any better, those time delays are from 45-120 seconds to avoid nuisance trips of the control and the go 0 to 1750 rpm in a split second, to full load.

Are you using through the pushrod oiling and what rockers? What's the lash set to? I'm just thinking of how much volume there is to refill in your motor when it's been sitting for a while.


T&D rockers, through pushrod oiling last is set to crane spec of .28!!!!!

im looking at what accumulator system to go with... UGH!!!! I plan on pulling the motor next weekend, redoing a few leaky gaskets and fix the leaky trans seal while i am at it.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2929356
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
Originally Posted by Uberpube
I work on a lot of large reciprocating compressors that are built just like engines on the bottom end with shell bearings and gear pumps. Those compressors have oil failure controls that have a thermal timer to allow for oil pressure delay on startup. If it makes you feel any better, those time delays are from 45-120 seconds to avoid nuisance trips of the control and the go 0 to 1750 rpm in a split second, to full load.

Are you using through the pushrod oiling and what rockers? What's the lash set to? I'm just thinking of how much volume there is to refill in your motor when it's been sitting for a while.


T&D rockers, through pushrod oiling last is set to crane spec of .28!!!!!

im looking at what accumulator system to go with... UGH!!!! I plan on pulling the motor next weekend, redoing a few leaky gaskets and fix the leaky trans seal while i am at it.


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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: A727Tflite] #2929369
06/02/21 12:59 AM
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Just asking here, but is 3-5 seconds really hurting anything? shruggy


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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: slantzilla] #2929406
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Originally Posted by slantzilla
Just asking here, but is 3-5 seconds really hurting anything? shruggy

Don't know, maybe 3 won't hurt it, but maybe 8 will... regardless I'd prefer not to find out the hard way.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2929423
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Using this remote sending unit there's about a one second wait between startup and pressure showing on the gauge. Shows a steady 75 PSI on cold start.

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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: jughed] #2929465
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I've noticed a huge difference on how quickly a mechanical pressure gauge reacts, based only on the type of line feeding it.

I've not used bigger ID AN line, but eventually I will try.

But on the two others I have tried, the usual crappy white nylon and copper/off the shelf autometer kits......there is a huge difference
in gauge reaction time. The nylon reacts much faster... and the copper is very slow and almost gives the appearance
there is a problem.


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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: ZIPPY] #2932861
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So the motor is out and pulled apart, i pulled it to fix a few leaks decided to look at rod bearings and now the crank is going out to get polished and I am replacing the bearings.

I noticed I have full groove main bearings, not 1/2 or 3/4 but 360* of groove. Could this be contributing to my loss in oil prime when it sits overnight?

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2933082
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No, full groove mains don't really affect pump prime.


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Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2933096
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No, and I'm not sure you even have a priming problem. It makes pressure right. What is in question (for some) is how fast the gauge reacts, after sitting different lengths of time.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2933470
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Accusump is a bandaid for an oil system problem. Fix the problem, and you won't have to lug all that stuff down the track.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: dthemi] #2933478
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Originally Posted by dthemi
Accusump is a bandaid for an oil system problem. Fix the problem, and you won't have to lug all that stuff down the track.

Easy to say... hard to find.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2933479
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If it was easy women, and children would do it lol.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: ZIPPY] #2933524
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Had the same drain back no oil pressure issue. !rerouted the lines as per the milo
don tech. problem solved!

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: dart9ss] #2933531
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Do you have a link for this tech sheet.

Re: no oil pressure on start up [Re: 8urvette] #2933554
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
Do you have a link for this tech sheet.


Milodon instruction sheet...all info is available on their website

https://www.milodon.com/instructions/Oil%20Systems_21000-21195.pdf






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