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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: 1972CudaV21] #2930016
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Originally Posted by 1972CudaV21
The track is on a reservation?


Yes it is owned by the Gila River Indian tribe and is on Tribal lands.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: gsmopar] #2930057
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Originally Posted by gsmopar
Waiting for the Indian tribe that owns the land the track is on to lift the COVID mask mandate to go back. We’re already 100+, probably wait until the fall.


Makes two of us! Limited track schedule and I don't want to tow to Tucson either!

The other issue is FINDING and buying another enclosed trailer. I'm not going to pay the crazy prices people or businesses are asking. UGH!


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: EvilB1Dart] #2930093
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Originally Posted by EvilB1Dart
Originally Posted by gsmopar
Waiting for the Indian tribe that owns the land the track is on to lift the COVID mask mandate to go back. We’re already 100+, probably wait until the fall.


Makes two of us! Limited track schedule and I don't want to tow to Tucson either!

The other issue is FINDING and buying another enclosed trailer. I'm not going to pay the crazy prices people or businesses are asking. UGH!



No kidding on the trailer! I almost drove to Waco last year to pick one up. Prices have gone nuts since then. Probably should have pulled the trigger.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: John Burdine] #2932359
06/11/21 09:00 PM
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A little update. Tim has my heads almost ready to ship. Not able to download and send flow sheet, but they flow 442@.700 and 471@.850. Its looking like the cam will be just under .750 lift, maybe .725 after lash.
Used Manley Nextec springs set up at 1.950. Looks like should be 225# on seat and .610@.730 lift. Once i get them, i can cc chambers and send that info off to Best Machine and get the pistons ordered.

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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2932369
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Think I may have something.

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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2932407
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Impressive looking . How much $ will you have in them,if you don't mind me asking. I know I had about 2800 in my EZ heads.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: carnut68] #2932422
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Waiting on the call from Tim for the final bill, but will be about twice that. The real eye opened is the rocker gear. Looks like another $3500+. Hemi's are very expensive, but i have the money right now to do this and i'm pulling the trigger before i retire.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2932423
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Whose rocker gear will you be using? And what compression ratio have you decided on?

Those are some impressive heads.

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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: powertrip] #2932438
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I'm told T&D has the best rockers for street duty, better oiling. 12.5:1. I have 12.5:1 now in my 511 and i don't mind mixing fuel.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2932458
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I have the FHO Stage V custom head that is o-ringed on the intake side but same flow numbers as shown above. $6500 canadian pesos. Also went with the RB T&D's for another $5000 canadian pesos.
Definitely not cheap. What ever the reason/s for you building a hemi, they are your reason/s so don't worry about what others think or babble on about a wedge being cheaper. I am building a roots blown hemi
because I have always dreamed of doing so and I don't give a sh!t what others think. As soon as the boarder opens up I will be sending my dominators to a vendor I found in the states to have them converted to E85.
Have at her and have fun doing it. up

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2932473
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What an awesome engine you will have when done and I think a custom piston will save you trouble later checking p/v rounding sharp edges.Keep up the good work.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: Clanton] #2932499
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Yes, i understand the CP's are that way.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2932514
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Waiting on the call from Tim for the final bill, but will be about twice that. The real eye opened is the rocker gear. Looks like another $3500+. Hemi's are very expensive, but i have the money right now to do this and i'm pulling the trigger before i retire.
I don't blame you on doing what you want while you can. I put a 511 rb rotating assembly together last spring of course it's on hold, because of the cam shortages, but I'm glad I didn't wait. Good luck with the build.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: carnut68] #2932544
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Thks guys. I am trying to get all the expensive stuff now like the block, heads, crank, rods, pistons. Prices will continue to soar.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2933083
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Great numbers! I have about 2800 into my victor Jrs.


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: ZIPPY] #2933185
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Great numbers! I have about 2800 into my victor Jrs.
426 Hemiroid motors = $$$$$ stirthepotgrin


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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: Cab_Burge] #2933198
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I spoke with Barton about those victors, he said ya can’t get them right now. The KB blocks are too.

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: mopar dave] #2933271
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Here's one I just finished and dynoed Thursday.

MP water block
MP aluminum hemi heads
Independent shaft rockers
4.3 x 4.15 bore stroke
Tunnel ram 2 E85 wj dominators
Standard cam tunnel with jesel tappets..
Nothing fancy anywhere. Just really good head, manifold, and carb work.
A bigger tunnel would have made a few more stable rpm. but zero need for a 60. 54mm would have been fine.
Point being, it doesn't take a lot of trick stuff to make decent power with a hemi.

Also Ray would win the contest if there was one between him and Tim. No offense intended towards him, just a whole different level of know how.

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Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: dthemi] #2933354
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Originally Posted by dthemi
Here's one I just finished and dynoed Thursday.

MP water block
MP aluminum hemi heads
Independent shaft rockers
4.3 x 4.15 bore stroke
Tunnel ram 2 E85 wj dominators
Standard cam tunnel with jesel tappets..
Nothing fancy anywhere. Just really good head, manifold, and carb work.
A bigger tunnel would have made a few more stable rpm. but zero need for a 60. 54mm would have been fine.
Point being, it doesn't take a lot of trick stuff to make decent power with a hemi.

Also Ray would win the contest if there was one between him and Tim. No offense intended towards him, just a whole different level of know how.


How much lift and duration? What lifter type?

Re: Tim Banning vs Ray Barton [Re: A727Tflite] #2933442
06/15/21 08:13 AM
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292 296 ground on 113 with a .480 lobe. rockers are 1.75/1.55

Jesel TS center bar lifters. A solid body jesel would do the same job, I just had these on the shelf. The only real difference is the TS are a little lighter.


Just wanted to put this in this thread, for people that might think you need to break the bank to get decent power. The mopar struggle for power can be endless, and disproportionately expensive beyond point. Making reasonable power that will live, is better with a mope to a certain point too.

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