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Engine is "tilted"... and stuck #2919069
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My 2nd gen hemi is sitting in an e-body on repro stock mounts and a repro Debevic hemi k-frame. The steering box was hard to mount as the holes seemed slightly off kilter. Haven't driven it since I installed the k-frame. I started it last week. Later on the lift I noticed the steering center link was rubbing on the Moroso oil pan, drivers-side only. It wasn't before. And the the passenger side engine mount is at the top of its adjustment range on the k-frame. So I loosened those nutss and remove the driver side engine mount bolt. I tried to jack up the engine a little to level it, but it didn't move. Like it was still bolted in, and the only remaining bolt was in the trans mount. I feel like something is binding as the jack was raising the front end when I tried to lift the engine.
Anybody had similar experiences? I feel this shouldn't be a hard problem, but I'm stumped at the moment.

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Re: Engine is "tilted"... and stuck [Re: Vert] #2919072
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DS Mount AFTER bolt removed. Prev photo has it still in.

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Re: Engine is "tilted"... and stuck [Re: Vert] #2919079
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Re: Engine is "tilted"... and stuck [Re: Cab_Burge] #2919188
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Moving the pass side mount holes to the top lowered the driver side. Probably the best way to free it is to get a chain on top and use a picker.

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Re: Engine is "tilted"... and stuck [Re: Vert] #2919245
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I had a similar problem when the trans mount went bad. Lowered the engine enough to drag on the steering.

Just a thought.

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you can shim the mount up also... something is either welded wrong, or assembled wrong

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Lifted the engine a little with a bar and it helped lower pass side a little. That raised DS a little. Freaking DS mount bolt won't line up now. May try a 1/6 spacer on both mounts. But raising the engine enough to fit some means header collectors loosened, alternator off, etc. This ^%$%$# k-frame was welded on a jig. I swapped the frame with the engine in the car. Shoulda dropped it out the bottom, but tough with a 4-post. May be another season not driving here. I'm probably a top 10 high-mileage Hellcat and a lowest mileage 2nd gen hemi and 71 Barracuda.

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recently had a Customers Charger in with Schumacher mounts and a Magnum force front K frame suspension. Took quite a bit of re work on the mounts ( primarily the R side, passenger) to get it centered and level. It was so bad the R valvae cover was jammed against the shock tower.
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Originally Posted by TJP
recently had a Customers Charger in with Schumacher mounts and a Magnum force front K frame suspension. Took quite a bit of re work on the mounts ( primarily the R side, passenger) to get it centered and level. It was so bad the R valvae cover was jammed against the shock tower.
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Had something similar happen when I swapped a SB for BB on my M body. I bought the Schumacher mounts and couldn't get the motor sitting correctly in the K. It kept wanting to angle towards the passenger side. Turns out I had bought the incorrect mounts. They had a factory replacement type kit for 70's cars that had a BB from the factory and used the spool mounts, and a retrofit kit to go to BB from SB with the spool mounts. Whoops.


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Re: Engine is "tilted"... and stuck [Re: Vert] #2932957
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OK, not so Mr. NotSoSmart here assumed the engine mounts were the problem. I decided to check and discovered the engine is quite level. The steering link has an angle to it. Anyone shimmed a steering box before? Looks like I MAY need to pull the top of the steering box out to push the center link down. I'm trying to figure this, 3 bolts; loosen the bottom, shim the top two... but how much?

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Are you sure you have the right pitman arm?

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I'm assuming it is. I swapped my V8 k-frame for a repop hemi k-frame. All the steering gear was swapped frame to frame. Steering box was tough to bolt on. Seemed a little off.

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So you went from a wedge to a hemi.

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Wrong K?

E body has a different steering box angle than B body.


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I've had that problem before, I think most of it is the way you're holding your mouth.

Re: Engine is "tilted"... and stuck [Re: Vert] #2933331
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Some photographic evidence of the crime scene...
Oil pan shows level, center link definitely high on LHS.
Torsion bar clearance differs at leat 1/2 inch side to side.

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One more... LH side steering box.

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Originally Posted by Vert
I'm assuming it is. I swapped my V8 k-frame for a repop hemi k-frame. All the steering gear was swapped frame to frame. Steering box was tough to bolt on. Seemed a little off.


Did you buy this frame direct from Al?

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Al Debivic, yes.

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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Are you sure you have the right pitman arm?

Also check the Idler, a mis-match between the two can have one pulling their hair out AMHIK beer

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