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FCA Out $8.7 Million Thanks To Dealer Using Fake Employee #2918080
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After reading this article I now understand why FCA made it where you have to be have family member preregistered for them to be eligible to get and use an Employee Pricing Control Number to get that pricing.

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A top FCA salesman is in hot water after being accused of handing out $8.7 million in fraudulent employee discounts. Apollon Nimo was handing out ‘too good to be true’ deals at his Detroit-based Parkway Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram dealership. How? Nimo illegally used at least 268 employee discount numbers to cut customers good deals. Deals that ultimately lost FCA/Stellantis out of $8.7 million. The discount used, or EPCN, gives FCA employees and their family members a 5% discount on purchases or leases.

Nimo benefited from this scam just as much as the customers he cut a deal. He reportedly earned himself around $700,000 and sold about 250 cars in January 2020, somehow going unnoticed as being suspicious. Fox 2 Detroit reports that a manager at Nimo’s Sterling Heights Dodge Chrysler Jeep Ram dealership claims that “Nimo sells more vehicles than entire sales departments at most FCA dealerships.” No wonder he was a top FCA salesman with numbers like those.

These types of deals accounted for about 21% of all EPCN-related sales for 2019 however, they accounted for half of Nimo’s sales that year. Looking even further back, 87% of Nimo’s sales were EPCN related between 2014 and 2019. He found an easy sales tactic and went with it until he got caught.

Feds say he got the discount codes as he was allegedly part of a black market of EPCN sales on private Facebook groups. Nimo was finally caught after several employees reported their employee discount numbers being used without their consent and was released on a $10,000 bond. He has been charged with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud.


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How do those numbers add up? A 5% discount on a $50,000 vehicle is $2500, so he would have had to have sold almost 3500 of them to get to $8.7M in discounts. It sounds more like that was the purchase price of 250 vehicles, not the discounts.

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Just a guess, but it's probably based on they 2014 through 2019 sales and not just one year of sales. shruggy


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Well I am just shocked! A crooked car salesman!

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Originally Posted by Twostick
Well I am just shocked! A crooked car salesman!

Kevin


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Re: FCA Out $8.7 Million Thanks To Dealer Using Fake Employee [Re: I_bleed_MOPAR] #2918247
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Fake News, probably tim kunuskis the Idiot throwing this stupid headline out there.

How many times have you seen Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Hyundai, Mercedes all running ads:

You don't have to be friends, family or employees to get

discounts anymore! Come on down to _______________ and

get yourself the secret handshake deal!!!!!



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I don't know about your area, but the radio here has been plastered with this nonsense for longer than what this guy is being convicted of. twocents This is a b.s. story: if you tell them you have mouse in your pocket you get the friends and family discount.



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Originally Posted by BSharp
How do those numbers add up? A 5% discount on a $50,000 vehicle is $2500, so he would have had to have sold almost 3500 of them to get to $8.7M in discounts. It sounds more like that was the purchase price of 250 vehicles, not the discounts.


Your math is correct. That comes out to about $34,000.00 per vehicle......which if you factor in how much a Journey, Dart, V6 Charger or Miinivan average in price, you're bang on.


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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Originally Posted by BSharp
How do those numbers add up? A 5% discount on a $50,000 vehicle is $2500, so he would have had to have sold almost 3500 of them to get to $8.7M in discounts. It sounds more like that was the purchase price of 250 vehicles, not the discounts.


Your math is correct. That comes out to about $34,000.00 per vehicle......which if you factor in how much a Journey, Dart, V6 Charger or Miinivan average in price, you're bang on.



You're misreading or misinterpreting what is stated in the article.

It says he sold 250 vehicles in January 2020 alone.
He's been doing it since 2014, how many cars did he sell in that time frame????

If he sold 250 cars a month that would be 18,000 cars over 6 years.
I'm not saying it was that many vehicles, but it shows the flaw in your math since it went on for 6 years not just one month.
At least that's how I understood what the article says.

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They don’t tell you how much FCA made selling that many cars though, not to mention how much return business in accessories and services.

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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ


You're misreading or misinterpreting what is stated in the article.

It says he sold 250 vehicles in January 2020 alone.
He's been doing it since 2014, how many cars did he sell in that time frame????

If he sold 250 cars a month that would be 18,000 cars over 6 years.
I'm not saying it was that many vehicles, but it shows the flaw in your math since it went on for 6 years not just one month.
At least that's how I understood what the article says.


Using your numbers, the salesman's $700,000.00 earning figure that would mean he made $38.00 a vehicle. Using BSharps' numbers the earning is $200.00 a vehicle. Which do you think is more believable?
And, 2019 minus 2014 is 5 years.........not 6 as you stated.

It's definitely not Me that's misreading or misinterpreting the article. tonguue


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Originally Posted by Grizzly
[quote=SNK-EYZ]

You're misreading or misinterpreting what is stated in the article.


And, 2019 minus 2014 is 5 years.........not 6 as you stated.


2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 = 6 vehicle model years

My father had a sales manager here in the Detroit Metro area use his Chrysler company ID information to steal 7 employee discounts for his customers. The guy was caught, fired and was going to be prosecuted by Chrysler back in the mid 90's. He died so there was no trial.

The news here in Detroit also stated the guy received bonuses from the dealer for achieving sales goals for the dealership. This is big money.


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Originally Posted by I_bleed_MOPAR
Originally Posted by Twostick
Well I am just shocked! A crooked car salesman!

Kevin


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Tim


I know, right? Shocker.

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At the first dealer I worked at in 86, one of the new car salesmens name was Jim Crook. No lie.


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Originally Posted by CKessel
At the first dealer I worked at in 86, one of the new car salesmens name was Jim Crook. No lie.
I had a pastor named Sinner once and a dentist named Fillmore. And that's the Gospel truth. Same town.


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Originally Posted by RobG
Originally Posted by Grizzly
[quote=SNK-EYZ]

You're misreading or misinterpreting what is stated in the article.


And, 2019 minus 2014 is 5 years.........not 6 as you stated.


2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 = 6 vehicle model years



Yep, another one that CAN'T READ. shake_head

The article is clearly talking about a time frame, not model years of vehicles.


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2014: 1
2015: 2
2016: 3
2017: 4
2018: 5
2019: 6

The mathematical term is "inclusive".


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Scam began in 2014. That is year 1 of the scam. Scam ended in 2019. That is year 6. Your calculation excludes 2014.


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Originally Posted by 3hundred
2014: 1
2015: 2
2016: 3
2017: 4
2018: 5
2019: 6

The mathematical term is "inclusive".


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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Scam began in 2014. That is year 1 of the scam. Scam ended in 2019. That is year 6. Your calculation excludes 2014.


He's probably too busy trying to be an azz here on Moparts to actually learn how to do basic math.

His replies here are just like all his others here on Moparts.
I think he probably starts every day with a bowl of Wheaties that has been pissed in and spends the rest of his day angry at the world.

I can't say that all the articles numbers are correct but the scam obviously went on for 6 years.

I only posted it because I thought some would find it interesting to read.
I didn't know that the resident grouch's would find fault with the article like they do everything else they see on here.

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Originally Posted by CKessel
At the first dealer I worked at in 86, one of the new car salesmens name was Jim Crook. No lie.


I've worked in auto forever and hate how it attracts the slimiest scumbags around.

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