car carrier ship cut up
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The scale is amazing to me. That truck in the lower right is a full size ram truck. This ship turned on its side mid channel and got pushed onto a sandbar so it didn't block the channel. they are cutting it up now, and this is only 1 chuck of it https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34847785/capsized-cargo-ship-salvage-watch/
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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A real BIG reason why things should be made in the country they are supposed to sell in...
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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Judging by the numbers, I guess it would take too long to tie everything down.
They said 4000 cars on it at the time, but it could hold 7000. So is the lack of tying the payload (cars) down a contributor to why the ship capsized in the first place? So the rust stain is the water line marking the capsized immersion?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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I have been following it on Youtube, although its a shame it happened I find the whole thing fascinating. I might be wrong but the pickup hanging out in the picture looks like a Ram.
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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"couldn't save it" once the cars began to move? A simple center divider/guard rail on each level, might have saved the whole ship? it is questionable if the cars had moved by the time it was "too late". the tipping point on a ship that size, may not be far enough to cause "sliding" like that. The investigation isn't complete, but yeah, they said they accidently shifted the center of gravity too high by the change in cargo. They also left a door open that helped contribute to the flooding and being unable to correct. It sounded like the start of fish tailing to me. Tried to go one way, over corrected to go the other and didn't center the wheel soon enough and bam, gone. Because they were so close to shore and other ships, was the only reason they are all alive. They basically said if it had happened out at sea, no one would have known what happened.
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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03/31/21 08:05 PM
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"couldn't save it" once the cars began to move? A simple center divider/guard rail on each level, might have saved the whole ship? it is questionable if the cars had moved by the time it was "too late". the tipping point on a ship that size, may not be far enough to cause "sliding" like that. The investigation isn't complete, but yeah, they said they accidentally shifted the center of gravity too high by the change in cargo. They also left a door open that helped contribute to the flooding and being unable to correct. It sounded like the start of fish tailing to me. Tried to go one way, over corrected to go the other and didn't center the wheel soon enough and bam, gone. Because they were so close to shore and other ships, was the only reason they are all alive. They basically said if it had happened out at sea, no one would have known what happened. A lot of merit to your points, how about one of the car steel decks got wet. oily, Antifreeze, or the loaders left the cars in neutral/no brakes, and a snowball effect began with cars moving, unbeknownst to the ship operators who were dialing in the "normal" expected steering correction, and not understanding why things were not improving? Of course all speculative and without any proof, and likely will never be known for certain, which might be the goal of those who are to blame. Maybe the pilot has steering dyslexia? I would have thought the righting moment with a ship with this intended purpose, would have a large safety factor, but then, what do I know?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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Wow, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of blame to go around since there will be a HUGE financial loss.
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I noticed something else not yet noted, I found interesting in the OP's posted pic, there is not a single human visible, I assume underscoring the risk in this operation.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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A real BIG reason why things should be made in the country they are supposed to sell in... Our EPA doesn’t understand that. I am not sure what that means. As I understand it, these were made here and being shipped to the middle east for sale. if you are saying kia, mercedes and ram should open plants in the middle east, I am not sure how that helps us.
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Judging by the numbers, I guess it would take too long to tie everything down.
They said 4000 cars on it at the time, but it could hold 7000. So is the lack of tying the payload (cars) down a contributor to why the ship capsized in the first place? So the rust stain is the water line marking the capsized immersion? Yes and Yes. I read a story on it and they loaded the cars on the upper levels while removing cars from the lower levels. Ship got top heavy and the tipped over mid trip. It has been capsized for about a year IIRC, so that brown is the water line after flipping on it's side.
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I noticed something else not yet noted, I found interesting in the OP's posted pic, there is not a single human visible, I assume underscoring the risk in this operation. I had to look,there is a guy in a yellow coat left side half way down. I had to look
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A real BIG reason why things should be made in the country they are supposed to sell in... Different countries have different natural resources and capabilities so this is not always possible.
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