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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: 5thAve] #2891227
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seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: maxie] #2891245
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Originally Posted by maxie
seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom.


There is SOOO much wrong with the construction of that building. It was not a kit, as they generally have things like instructions and diagrams and the proper parts to put it together. This was clearly put together by someone who had no clue what they were doing. Sad about the truck but all they had to do was simply look UP and see the serious and obvious issues with that building and they wouldn't have parked it there...or even worked in that mess.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: maxie] #2891247
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Structurally that's the way they have to span. That and other clues led me to believe the design work was done by SRE, Southern Redneck Engineering, I've seen their work before.


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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Jer] #2891249
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Originally Posted by Jer


There is SOOO much wrong with the construction of that building. It was not a kit, as they generally have things like instructions and diagrams and the proper parts to put it together. This was clearly put together by someone who had no clue what they were doing. Sad about the truck but all they had to do was simply look UP and see the serious and obvious issues with that building and they wouldn't have parked it there...or even worked in that mess.


I don't disagree with anything said and would like to point out that too many people do not enough of a basic foundation of knowledge to see the issues even if they looked up, which is why too many things like this get hired out to incompetent "experts" that talk a good game.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: TJP] #2891268
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Originally Posted by TJP
Any idea how much accumulated snow was on the roof ??
Bummer and glad it was insured smile


I agree!! How much snow?? We currently have a couple feet of snow on the ground/buildings. I haven't seen anything about any roof collapses etc.I know they don't build for snow load down south but I gotta think a well built building would easily deal with 6 or more inches of snow load. Is this more snow than that? I also agree that the roof panels appear to be running in the wrong direction and that is a BIG beam to fail under snow load of any size. Lots of questions here. Hope they get everything handled....looked like a great truck!!

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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Dcuda69] #2891349
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Well as long as we're on that topic ... WHERE IS THE SNOW ?!?!?!? Did they wait for it all to melt before taking the photo? If there was that much exposure you couldn't get enough heat in the building to melt it. So where is it ????

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Stanton] #2891357
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891385
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Yes it sucks, but that is what insurance is for, and that is nothing compared to "losing" a car in a fire. That truck is easily repaired, half of it can still be used! Don't try this at home, though the guy I sold it to had it back on the road the next year...

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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Rhinodart] #2891389
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: 3hundred] #2891481
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Originally Posted by 3hundred
The Transam got saved? boogie


Yes, I put it on Craigslist and got a reply almost immediately. He was in the next town over and wanted to see it right away. Only question he has was if I had the build sheet and did it say Y88 on it, which it did, Gold Edition SE with T-Tops. By the time I delivered it he already had a gold parts car in his driveway! shock He was a true late 70's Pontiac guy as he had a 77 Can Am in the garage... up


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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891547
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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Truck is insured. Her husband and her father in law are very talented/skilled car builders, so I have no doubt it will get fixed.


Sounds like the perfect opportunity to take a 2" chop from the roof sawzall Lemonade from lemons shruggy I'm an eternal optimist, sometimes whistling

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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2892084
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There appears to be something really wrong with the design and/or fab of the buildings roof. If your co-worker has any other buildings on her property built by the same guy she should have them inspected immediately. My guess is that some really shoddy work was performed on that building.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: AndyF] #2892090
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Sorry to see that happen, but I do agree with every comment that the building was so poorly built. Especially the first one...

Originally Posted by Stanton
I'd hazzard a guess that that was not an engineered building. Just out of curiosity, where's the beam that's supposed to be supporting that I-beam ?? And roof trusses on what, 4-foot centers ?!?! Storing $100k vehicles in $100 sheds ... you kinda deserve whatever ya get !!


and this one had me rolling. "SRE"...hilarious

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Structurally that's the way they have to span. That and other clues led me to believe the design work was done by SRE, Southern Redneck Engineering, I've seen their work before.



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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: maxie] #2892155
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Originally Posted by maxie
seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom.


I don't think the roof metal is running the wrong way. The purlings are running parallel to the side wall with the roof metal perpendicular to it. It appears to me that a splice in the rafter failed and the roof colapsed.

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Originally Posted by justinp61
Originally Posted by maxie
seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom.


I don't think the roof metal is running the wrong way. The purlings are running parallel to the side wall with the roof metal perpendicular to it. It appears to me that a splice in the rafter failed and the roof colapsed.


I don't even see any purlins? It looks like the sheet metal is supported directly by the rafters, which is why they had to run the sheet metal grooves horizontally (which is wrong). If they had the correct purlins in place running horizontally between the rafters, then they could have run the sheet metal vertically on top of the purlins. This allows the rain and snow to drain off as it should.

As others have said, there are several issues with the way that roof was built that contributed to the accident.

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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: wingman] #2892220
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The I beam appears to be fractured which is a very odd failure for a beam that large. Steel beams that size don't usually fracture when overloaded, they typically bend and yield. The fracture seems to indicate that the beam was either made from very low quality steel or perhaps it was damaged at some point. Maybe poor welding or someone used a torch to bend it or something? I really can't say just based on a picture but if I was hired to figure out what happened to the building I'd start with that fracture.

Kind of looks like the old Liberty ship brittle fracture issue. Back in WWII there were a bunch of brittle fractures that sunk or damaged the Liberty ships. The issue was poor quality steel and poor welding practices. The steel became brittle in cold weather and the hulls would crack open. Possibly the same defect that caused the Titanic to crack open. Those kinds of problems aren't supposed to still be around these days since steel mfgs know better and welders are supposed to know better. So kind of scary to see that fracture.

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Damn shame about the truck. Hope they get it fixed. twocents

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: wingman] #2892339
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Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by justinp61
Originally Posted by maxie
seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom.


I don't think the roof metal is running the wrong way. The purlings are running parallel to the side wall with the roof metal perpendicular to it. It appears to me that a splice in the rafter failed and the roof colapsed.


I don't even see any purlins? It looks like the sheet metal is supported directly by the rafters, which is why they had to run the sheet metal grooves horizontally (which is wrong). If they had the correct purlins in place running horizontally between the rafters, then they could have run the sheet metal vertically on top of the purlins. This allows the rain and snow to drain off as it should.

As others have said, there are several issues with the way that roof was built that contributed to the accident.


If that overhead door is on the a side wall what you are calling rafters are the purlings and the beam that was scabbed and broke is the rafter. Without more pbotos its almost impossible to know.

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I got to say thats heartbreaking, glad no life was lost. No one builds anything with plans of it falling down, unfortunate.


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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: AndyF] #2892537
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Originally Posted by AndyF
The I beam appears to be fractured which is a very odd failure for a beam that large. Steel beams that size don't usually fracture when overloaded, they typically bend and yield. The fracture seems to indicate that the beam was either made from very low quality steel or perhaps it was damaged at some point. Maybe poor welding or someone used a torch to bend it or something? I really can't say just based on a picture but if I was hired to figure out what happened to the building I'd start with that fracture.

Kind of looks like the old Liberty ship brittle fracture issue. Back in WWII there were a bunch of brittle fractures that sunk or damaged the Liberty ships. The issue was poor quality steel and poor welding practices. The steel became brittle in cold weather and the hulls would crack open. Possibly the same defect that caused the Titanic to crack open. Those kinds of problems aren't supposed to still be around these days since steel mfgs know better and welders are supposed to know better. So kind of scary to see that fracture.


The end of the beam has marks on it that make it look like it was existing and had a plate welded on it.

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