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Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? #2890793
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... I’ve built a few motors and done lots of mechanical work ... BUT NOT LIKE SOME HERE !

Me ? ... rod and mains.. head bolts ... most times INTAKE BOLTS ...,

BUTTTT ... oil pan and water pump bolts ? ... etc ?? !!

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2890806
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Pretty much just cam sprockets, bearing caps and head bolts. But with over 45 years as an auto mechanic I have a pretty good feel for things.


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Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Guitar Jones] #2890808
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On an engine, pretty much everything EXCEPT some intake bolts that there is no way to get a torque wrench on (middle bolts on a 340 come to mind). I also torque lug nuts and some suspension nuts (ball joints, tie rods).

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #2890826
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If I can get a torque wrench on it, I'll do it to spec.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Uberpube] #2890835
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Important stuff. Engine internals, things like that. Beyond that, I am pretty well calibrated and can feel what is right.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Ramrod39] #2890892
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Anything that specifies more than 30 foot pounds.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Stanton] #2890915
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I torque everything that has a specification. I find that even after decades I tend to over tighten smaller fasteners (< 3/8" or so) and under tighten larger fasteners (> 3/8" or so). I've gone to grade 8 on any 1/4" bolt as I pop the stock fasteners like candy. Intake gasket end rails on a BB as one example. The only notable exception is the oil pan. That I use gasket compression to know when to stop.


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Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Stanton] #2890919
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Everything.

Even the inner intake bolts

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Sniper] #2890946
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Engine internals, heads and intake gasket. Other then that I mostly only do something if it's hard to get to once everything is fully assembled or if it's a part I don't want to take off again or gasket failure might have been part of the original problem.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: 5thAve] #2890987
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Head bolts, rod bolts, main caps, rockers shaft bolts, etc. Don't think I've ever torqued intake bolts, oil pan bolts or anything on the front of the motor for that matter. I'm anal about the tightening sequence though.


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Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: MarkZ] #2890997
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Here's a thought too-- is it not just as important to follow the steps/procedure/sequences incrementally as it is to torque to "value"? Example: (generic) lets say head bolts need 110 ftlbs., who feels ok just jammin' them away to said torque spec following the sequence? Or do you go incrementally (20ftlbs, 40 ftlbs, etc)?

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: moparjim79] #2891056
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Incremental is the way it should be done and the way I like to do it, but let 's face it, unless this is a high performance car it probably isn't going to matter. There is a difference between a race engine and a stock daily driver. For instance, for a driver just torquing rod bolts is fine, for a race engine, the bolt stretch method should be mandatory.


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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon!
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Guitar Jones] #2891076
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Head bolts, Rod bearings, main bearings, flywheel bolts, lug nuts. That is about it.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2891099
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Since the OP wasn't engine-specific, don't forget lug nuts.


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Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: 6PakBee] #2891132
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I torque everything that has a specification. I find that even after decades I tend to over tighten smaller fasteners (< 3/8" or so) and under tighten larger fasteners (> 3/8" or so). I've gone to grade 8 on any 1/4" bolt as I pop the stock fasteners like candy. Intake gasket end rails on a BB as one example. The only notable exception is the oil pan. That I use gasket compression to know when to stop.


About the same here plus I use a torque wrench on the air cleaner wing nut, hose clamps, and trim screws. luck laugh2


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Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2891198
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I torque everything that has a specification. I find that even after decades I tend to over tighten smaller fasteners (< 3/8" or so) and under tighten larger fasteners (> 3/8" or so). I've gone to grade 8 on any 1/4" bolt as I pop the stock fasteners like candy. Intake gasket end rails on a BB as one example. The only notable exception is the oil pan. That I use gasket compression to know when to stop.


About the same here plus I use a torque wrench on the air cleaner wing nut, hose clamps, and trim screws. luck laugh2


Just like the vehicle assembly plants - they use DC nut runners on everything.

And the manufacturing plants use them too along with “multiples”.

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45 years ago couldn’t keep oil pan bolts from coming lose or falling out on the race car, on a whim I looked in a service manual, used the torque and never came lose again. Long story short I torque EVERYTHING I can get to at factory spec.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2891223
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About the same here plus I use a torque wrench on the air cleaner wing nut, hose clamps, and trim screws. luck laugh2 [/quote]

That was awesome

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: moparjim79] #2891246
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Pretty much everything I can get a torque wrench on. I don`t torque valve cover and oil pan bolts as I do them by feel. As a side note, I remember when I was young I asked a mechanic at the local dealer what was the torque spec for main caps bolts and head bolts for a small block mopar. He said I don`t know I just use my air gun and crank them down. I laughed as I thought he was joking. He said I`m not joking I work flat rate and I don`T have time for that. He added that he never has any come backs.

Re: Come on ... BE HONEST...what do you properly TORQUE... ? [Re: mopars4ever] #2891251
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I find a correlation between the lack of using a torque wrench and leaky valve covers and oil pans.

I am lazy, I prefer to do the job once.

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