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Shifters #2888967
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Whats a better choice in shifter hurst . Quarter shift ....winters or turbo action

Re: Shifters [Re: cesar perez] #2888975
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i like my B&M pro ratchet , with Hurst T handle

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Re: Shifters [Re: cesar perez] #2888976
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I like the B&M Pro Stick in that level of shifter. Basically the same as the Hurst with a better cable.

Winters and T/A are the same piece. Old school, clunky, big...some guys still like them.


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Re: Shifters [Re: cesar perez] #2889002
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race car or street car

manual or auto vb

forward or rev pattern ?

Re: Shifters [Re: cesar perez] #2889025
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It depends on what you like, you should try and sit in a car with all the types you mention and ask the owners if you can shift without the motor running to see which one you want.
Some of the race shifters can be a real pain to shift from park to 1st gear or from any forward gear into reverse or park scope
I really liked the early B&M Chrome box cable shifters, simple and easy, reliable but no reverse lock out so they got outlaw by NHRA for drag racing shruggy
I like and use the Winters, Fairbanks and T/A shifters with the rear exit cables ( they're all the same design) in my cars with race 727 tranny with the reverse manual valve body up


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Re: Shifters [Re: cesar perez] #2889059
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I have no love for the museum piece T/A shifter so I’d go with your other choice..... even though I’d throw em both out for my PPP.

Re: Shifters [Re: J_BODY] #2889094
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PPP hands down....with rear entry cable.


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Re: Shifters [Re: Dragula] #2889217
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Do any shifters have their cables come in to the shift lever on the trans (727 reverse manual)
from the rear?
I assumed the rear entry option was so, but looking on PPP's ad, the the cable comes in to the front of the trans
on both cable exit options.

Our 70 Charger has the B&M Ratchet front cable,
On the 71 RR I would love to avoid snaking another cable over and around everything...

Thanks, Joe

Re: Shifters [Re: jlatessa] #2889220
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PPP or M&M are the best. Of your choices a quarter stick.


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Re: Shifters [Re: jlatessa] #2889233
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The original Fairbanks and Winter 727 shifter, not sure about the current T/A shifters, had the rear exit cable that had a bell crank mounted on the rear of the tranny that shifted from the rear. More better header clearances on them also up
I called to order a PPP for my S/P car with a Powerglide tranny and once the total price got to $700.00+ I decided to go with another brand work scope

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Re: Shifters [Re: jlatessa] #2889255
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Both my TA and PPP shifters come in from the rear on a 727.


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CudaTom do they employ a bell crank to reverse the movement or is it integral
in the shifter?

Thanks, Joe

Re: Shifters [Re: cesar perez] #2889286
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I used a Hurst ratchet shifters for years until the cable finally got to hot one day (Was breaking in a new cam and didn't think to put a fan to blow air at bottom of car.) I than put a Turbo Action shifter in since it's a rear cable entry. I love the rear cable entry, but I prefer the ratchet shifter over the gate style. I've been wanting to try a PPP shifter, but can't justify spending that much on a shifter when I don't need it at the moment.

Re: Shifters [Re: jlatessa] #2889345
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No bell crank, it comes in similar to how the TA shifter does, mine is also a air shifter. Not sure if they are different than the manual but I would think if they are you could use it w/o using the air shifter function. This is also a reverse manual VB.


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Originally Posted by jlatessa
CudaTom do they employ a bell crank to reverse the movement or is it integral
in the shifter?

Thanks, Joe


On my screen the shifter from PPP is the kwick shift I. It should be the 8th diagram (the one after the 727 proflight with the double neutral) the 9th diagram is rear entry w/a standard VB. Hope this helps.


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Re: Shifters [Re: cudatom] #2889394
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I have used the Pro Ratchet, from memory the Quarter Stick was pretty similar

Last shifter I bought was a PPP, but I had a hell of a time getting it., which was a common complaint from what I have observed.

The M&M are well stocked from what I have heard


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Before you go PPP, use the search! I was pissed when I paid for the transmission bracket (blanket) that had no chance of working. You WILL have to make your own bracket.

Re: Shifters [Re: LA360] #2889486
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Originally Posted by LA360
I have used the Pro Ratchet, from memory the Quarter Stick was pretty similar

Last shifter I bought was a PPP, but I had a hell of a time getting it., which was a common complaint from what I have observed.

The M&M are well stocked from what I have heard

1/4 stick is a gate not ratchet i believe

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
Power by Tex's Automotive
Re: Shifters [Re: tex013] #2889553
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I tried a Cheetah Shifter, I'd pull from first to third. Hated it.
Went with a B&M Pro Ratchet, loved it it but the pot metal arm broke in the staging lanes. I've since fixed that...So far so good.

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Re: Shifters [Re: Adobedude] #2889559
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I have had a T/A Cheetah in my car for over 35 years now with 0 problems and it still has the original cable. I recently looked into installing a Shiftnoid electric assist setup to my T/A but it can't be done because of the way the shifter gates are. They do make an air assist setup for my application however I dont want to go thru that as its only legal in one of the two classes I regularly run. If I was starting over I would go with a PPP. Lever attached to the shifter is a DD adjustable starting line RPM controller, I can stage the car without looking at the tach. I just installed it last fall and it works great !!!

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