Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: Pkeel]
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02/15/21 11:13 PM
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ZIp them on in a criss cross pattern with the impact, but just barely get the nuts touching the cones. Then go around in a criss-sross pattern and give them just a little tap with the impact. Then put it on the ground and use a torque wrench on each. For a car with 7/16' lugs and steel wheels, I usually go 70 ft/pounds. 1/2" I go 80. Aluminum wheels are thicker so I go about 10 lb tighter. Or see if you can look up the factory specified tork in the manual or on line.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
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02/16/21 11:28 AM
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Our recent cars, the '13, '15 and '16 all call for 130 lb ft. I used to use 70 lb ft for 7/16 studs and 90 lb ft for 1/2 studs. 130 seems a crazy amount of torque to me for a 14mm stud.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: 3hundred]
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02/16/21 11:37 AM
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I use an impact gun to take them off--but never to put them on. Spin on by hand and torque wrench to final torque.
I don't trust torque sticks but that's just me.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
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02/16/21 12:52 PM
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I use an impact gun to take them off--but never to put them on. Spin on by hand and torque wrench to final torque.
I don't trust torque sticks but that's just me.
I don't trust them either. Seems all the shops used to use them, now nobody does. My local tire shops went back to Torques Wrenches. I do a straight 100 ftlbs unless it is a large vehicle with thicker studs like a 1 ton then I look up the torque specs.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
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02/16/21 07:06 PM
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use factory specs if you can. i have been using 80lbft on everything i have for over 50yrs. 1/2" [12mm] studs, aluminum or steel wheels, chrome or standard nuts. i also add a dab of copper hi-temp anti-seize to the threads. [like the add usta' say : "a little dab 'l do ya !"] i do NOT like, or trust, those torque stix. just my opinion, your mileage will vary.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: moparx]
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02/16/21 07:16 PM
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We don't know the vehicle so just throwing torque specs out is useless and possibly dangerous. Look it up and use a torque wrench!!! Over torqueing newer wheels can cause issues with studs, wheels, rotors ,etc. Under torque...we all know what happens. Torque sticks are unreliable...most shops won't use them any more....too much at stake with big $$$ wheels/rotors and liability. 70-80 ft lbs is way short on many new cars/trucks....my F150 is 120!....the wife's little Fusion is 100!
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: Neil]
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02/16/21 07:20 PM
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i am a autobody tech in a new car dealership. i have been using torque sticks for over 30 years without problems. i am pretty sure every tech, both autobody and service department, in the shop uses them also i am pretty sure most automotive flat rate techs use them without problems also.
they work great on solid lug nuts. on lug nuts with chrome caps using them long term can damage the caps and destroy the lug nuts.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: Mr T2U]
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02/16/21 08:48 PM
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Torque sticks come in different ratings. Match the sticks to the factory specs.
But, you better have a gun that can hit the sticks hard enough to work. A gun with 150 lbs won't run a stick rated at 250.
That said, sticks are for high production shops, not really worth it for homeowners. A torque wrench is a better value.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
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02/16/21 09:06 PM
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: Pkeel]
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I have a front wheel drive car and drive 30 to 40 thousand miles a year. My front tires wear out much quicker than the rear. I have never really rotated tires, because I just don't want to spend the time at a garage getting it done. This new car has 20 inch tires that are about $200 each. This last time the rear tires were barely worn and the front were done in.
I have decided I will do it here at my place, but have been looking into seeing how to properly retighten the lug nuts. I have an M18 Milwaukee impact driver with enough power to massively overtighten the lug nuts.
I did a little looking on the internet and some recommend using torque sticks.
Any recommendations would be appreciated. There's some stuff I'm really questioning here. 20" tires at about $200 each? What size and brand? I've yet to see a really decent set installed for less than $1k. The last 3 vehicles ive owned all had 20's on them, I had a similar yearly mileage. I made it a point long ago to have my rides properly aligned when new rubber is installed, and also rotate every oil change. It does make a difference. Ive had 30k mile tires go past 45k miles with this kind of care. The last few sets of tires I've purchased were general rt43's-- an outstanding all around tire. Torque sticks work fine, but not worth the cost if they don't contribute to your income. It takes less than 3 or 4 minutes for a tech to rotate tires on a vehicle, whats really the deal man? Do you no longer have that patience? If your tires are abnormally wearing, have someone inspect your suspension components and maybe consider alignments an annual thing.
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
[Re: Fat_Mike]
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02/17/21 08:43 PM
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I stopped off at a tire place today .... Torque wrenches and sticks ? ... fiddlesticks! Just a impact gun ... appeared to be skillfully applied !
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Re: Tighten lug nuts
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02/18/21 01:01 AM
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I stopped off at a tire place today .... Torque wrenches and sticks ? ... fiddlesticks! Just a impact gun ... appeared to be skillfully applied ! I know a few shops/managers/owners that are now requiring more than 1 person check wheel torque before the vehicle leaves....NONE are using impact guns OR torque sticks!!!! WAY too much at stake!!!
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