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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: hemicar1971] #2880173
01/25/21 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hemicar1971
You guys are at bunch of know it alls. The person selling the motor has a 1971 Cuda B5. He could of easier years ago faked up the car he has with all the parts from the original 1971 Hemi Cuda but in the email he sent me years ago stated to me he did not want others using the serial number off the 1971 Hemi Cuda on another Vehicle. If you think it is crap then email him and ask questions and then pull the trigger and buy the motor if you think someone is going to fake a car. If you can not afford to buy get others to jump in and help so you can save the hobby. Then if no one can step up to the plate and buy it, email Barry to save the day. Have Barry email me he knows my email address.





Dude...turn on the fan...your stuff stinks.

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2880177
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Yea we know it alls know this farse didnt pull 65k and its not currently pulling 41k.



Ya ever notice how its all crickets by some of the semi big dogs in the game on sale listings like this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-PLYMO...ED-FROM-A-HEMI-CUDA-BS23R1/193657015624?

Cut and paste, just change the asking price.


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2880210
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So he is selling a motor and title for a car that no longer exists and wants to prove that it came from a Cuda cause for some reason he thinks that makes it worth twice as much. Who gives a crap what it came out of. A 71 Hemi is a 71 Hemi. If I was in the market for one I wouldn't care what it came out of. One from a GTX is worth just as much in my eyes.


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: moparmarks] #2880224
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"Adding the title to the sale just begs someone to fake the car." Honestly, in this day and age with computers, internet and search engines (and forums like this), 'faking' the car to sell would be almost impossible. The VIN is everywhere; the fate of the original car is well-known and documented. It's just a piece of paper that helps validate the owner's claim. Some of you have quarantined too long, I'm afraid, and see 'malicious intent' where there may well be none.

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: Jer] #2880272
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Originally Posted by Jer
"Adding the title to the sale just begs someone to fake the car." Honestly, in this day and age with computers, internet and search engines (and forums like this), 'faking' the car to sell would be almost impossible. The VIN is everywhere; the fate of the original car is well-known and documented. It's just a piece of paper that helps validate the owner's claim. Some of you have quarantined too long, I'm afraid, and see 'malicious intent' where there may well be none.


That doesn't mean that someone wouldn't try doing it.
With the potential money that could be made there are always people willing to do anything for a buck.
Questionable and illegal means nothing to them.


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: SNK-EYZ] #2881447
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That doesn't mean that someone wouldn't try doing it.
With the potential money that could be made there are always people willing to do anything for a buck.
Questionable and illegal means nothing to them. [/quote]

RIGHT ON.

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: 71GTX471] #2882980
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Just curious. Are there a bunch of fake HEMI cars out there? I remember hearing years ago at the Nationals that a high percentage of "matching numbers" HEMI cars had the engines re-stamped. Does this really go on?

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: MoonshineMattK] #2883008
02/02/21 07:26 AM
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VIN fraud is very common, but there are people that help fight it.

The car in the thread at Cuda with counterfeit VIN had it's counterfeit VIN tag and the fake fender tag confiscated. up

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2883916
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So, I have a question,
What is this worth?
What is a 71 Hemi in what seems like relatively good condition with a matching 4 speed worth today?
shruggy

It doesn't look like it's selling at 44K.

(Full disclosure: Any car that I would put it in would maintain their original VIN and fender tag.)

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: wmdj5] #2883931
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I think there are two groups with one being much larger than the other. If you own a 71 Hemi car, particularly an E-Body, you might just pay the $40K, particularly if the car is worth north of $200K. The other larger group looking for a mostly OEM correct motor and trans but for a different year car that is not headed for OE gold is going to pay less. I have seen stuff like this as motor only in the mid $20's so with a trans maybe $30K?

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: BigBlockGTS] #2884056
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so if its not the original engine, what money difference is there by putting a 66 or 71 hemi in your car?


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: sixpacksteve] #2884059
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Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
so if its not the original engine, what money difference is there by putting a 66 or 71 hemi in your car?


To people with more money than brains, there's a difference. To the rest of us, there's no difference.


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: not_a_charger] #2884097
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Ok- to ask another way then- What is the value of a complete Hemi Motor and trans of any year with all correct factory parts on it?

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: BigBlockGTS] #2884222
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thats up to the buyer, with all the aftermarket. guys like what is called date code correct, i personally don't get it!
some folks want all original. if you have a say 70 hemi cuda conv, that was a 318 car but all the right stuff torque boxes etc. done. whats the money difference because of a letter on vin n fender tag?


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: sixpacksteve] #2884230
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Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
thats up to the buyer, with all the aftermarket. guys like what is called date code correct, i personally don't get it!
some folks want all original. if you have a say 70 hemi cuda conv, that was a 318 car but all the right stuff torque boxes etc. done. whats the money difference because of a letter on vin n fender tag?


A LOT.

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: sixpacksteve] #2884249
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Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
thats up to the buyer, with all the aftermarket. guys like what is called date code correct, i personally don't get it!
some folks want all original. if you have a say 70 hemi cuda conv, that was a 318 car but all the right stuff torque boxes etc. done. whats the money difference because of a letter on vin n fender tag?


At some point they cross the line from automobile to investment and at that point what seems like trivial things become most important.

For example, in 2013 Hemmings reported the most recent sale of a real Hemi car as 1.2 million, and that was the one built from a cowl. They only go up from there. https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/1971-hemi-cuda-convertible

This clone is currently running on Hemmings as an auction, https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1971-plymouth-cuda
( from the thread here https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...ne-on-hemmings-auctions.html#Post2881430)

The clone has a BH27C1 VIN (slant 6).


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: Bob Stinson] #2884309
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Didn’t some 70/71 hemi cars come with 66 casting blocks, or something like that? I’m no hemi guru but I do like looking at them!


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: gtx6970] #2884377
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alot, hundreds, thousands, ten thousands?


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Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: sixpacksteve] #2884393
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Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
alot, hundreds, thousands, ten thousands?


My post right up there gives you an example. In that case, it's just a little more than a million and the Hemi priced there isn't even a really nice one.

I agree with you in spirit, a car's a car, but as I mentioned in my post at some point the things can't even be looked at as being automobiles. They're investments.

Re: 426 Hemi and 4 speed from 71 Hemi Cuda [Re: Bob Stinson] #2884673
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Well put!


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