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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: calrobb2000] #2876321
01/18/21 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by calrobb2000
this plus a bad resistor !

if you have the resistor with msd remove the resistor !


A bad ballast resistor will cause a no run condition, but not a no start as the resistor is bypassed while engine is cranking....it will start, but die immediately as key is released to the run condition, which does not appear to be the situation with the OP s car.

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2876333
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doul balist resister maby ?

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: calrobb2000] #2876411
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As for fresh gas it's no way old but even then, brake cleaner doesnt do a thing as well, says a lot if you ask me. Even tryed with a seperate battery hooked up to the msd alone to rule out voltage drop to the ignition, but in both situations the voltage stays during the cranking, have a good blue spark from the coil wire during cranking so voltage parts should be ruled out.

Gonna pull the distributor cap tonight to see if the rotor turns logically when cranking
Gonna remove the carb and crank with some brake cleaner to see if it gives a rumble to rule out the carb as well as it feels like the engine is drowning somehow not sparking in the cylinder.

And new plugs again too.

Some questions read concerning ignition system; msd 6al wired directly from the battery (already changed out), no resistors etc. 6al connects to blaster coil (already changed out) with the black & orange wires and also wires to a stock mopar distributor (already changed out) no real voltage drop (see above)

To my feeling its like either drowing way to much fuel which kils the spark (plugs) or having no intake speed not atomizing the fuel or something timing related.
And why doesnt the sound change at all when turning (like an 1" both sides) the distributor while cranking

To be continued..


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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2876470
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by calrobb2000
this plus a bad resistor !

if you have the resistor with msd remove the resistor !


A bad ballast resistor will cause a no run condition, but not a no start as the resistor is bypassed while engine is cranking....it will start, but die immediately as key is released to the run condition, which does not appear to be the situation with the OP s car.


This is only true if the ballast resistor has only two terminals. The later ballasts had four terminals.It depends on which side of the ballast is bad. I have had this exact condition and it was a bad ballast resistor.

Agree with the removal of ballast resistor with msd.

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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: randavis] #2876484
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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2876511
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
Anyone remember a thread about a car that starts when you let OFF the key? As in, turn the key to "start" and it cranks, but won't start until the key is released and turns back to "run." I can't remember the cause (probably ignition), and can't find the thread. Thoughts on that???


That is either an ignition switch or more commonly it’s the bulkhead connector not making the connection on the start circuit to the coil.


Yes. This was the issue one of my E-Bodies.

I was able to start the car with a remote bump starter. Took the bulkhead connector off, cleaned with a small wire brush and compressed air, used the key start, vrooom, away it went. punkrocka

So, try hooking up a remote starter to your car, it by-passes the bulkhead connector. twocents

If it lights off, it could be your bulkhead connector.

If not, I'd start by throwing that aftermarket MSD junk in the garbage and replace with Factory parts and keep working backwards until it goes.

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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Grizzly] #2876541
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Stale gas? If it's 6 months old, it's stale.

Brake cleaner? Brake cleaner won't really burn and if it did run off of it, it will injure or kill you. Phosgene.

Regular 2+2 is a better choice. The engine will run on it. Still need to be used outside.


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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: CMcAllister] #2876560
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Check for spark at the plugs ! I'd bet it's weak...Check the resistance of the plug wires also...

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: RobR] #2876568
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Originally Posted by RobR
Check for spark at the plugs ! I'd bet it's weak...Check the resistance of the plug wires also...


He did, that's why I suggested substituting a good known ignition system to isolate the MSD from the trouble.

"Get spark on the plugs as well.


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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: CMcAllister] #2876578
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So, do you have a choke on it? Possibly not opening enough? I agree with not using brake clean to run, just use a squirting bottle with gasoline. As mentioned, I'd verify TDC and double check timing. I'm not sure how much change in compression there would be if the timing chain has jumped? I'd maybe check cam timing if you're running out of ideas. Single bolt cam? Single bolt cams have been known to move, if bolt comes loose and breaks the dowel, dowel maybe gone? Just shooting ideas...

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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: 440_Offroader] #2876595
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what voltage do you get at the + post of the coil while cranking ?
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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: moparx] #2876616
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Originally Posted by moparx
what voltage do you get at the + post of the coil while cranking ?
beer


Pretty sure you don't want to measure that with an MSD setup

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Sniper] #2876755
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Whats wrong with starting fluid? That's what I use on stubborn engines.

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Sniper] #2877267
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by moparx
what voltage do you get at the + post of the coil while cranking ?
beer


Pretty sure you don't want to measure that with an MSD setup


OOPS ! blush my mistake ! sorry !
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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: B1MAXX] #2877497
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Not a thing. Instant reprime.

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: A990] #2877716
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I have been around cars a long time and have never even contemplated using brake clean for starting a stubborn engine Some brake clean will hardly even burn. I have used starting fluid as brake clean though....its cheaper.

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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: NITROUSN] #2877737
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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
I would pull the plugs and see if they are wet. Squirt a couple shots of oil in each hole. Verify timing on TCD and the rotor pointing at number 1. Make sure the oil is not diluted with gas. Either clean or replace the plugs. And see what it does. Could be the rings are washed .


Anytime you have been trying to start an engine this long you have washed down the cylinders, Do what NITROUSN said and squirt oil in the cylinder. Don't be shy, squirt a bunch in there. Then try again. And don't worry about it fouling the plugs, it will go.

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: SportF] #2877771
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^^^ that would explain why it is cranking over 100 miles per hour bow


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Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: SportF] #2877883
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Originally Posted by SportF
Originally Posted by NITROUSN
I would pull the plugs and see if they are wet. Squirt a couple shots of oil in each hole. Verify timing on TCD and the rotor pointing at number 1. Make sure the oil is not diluted with gas. Either clean or replace the plugs. And see what it does. Could be the rings are washed .


Anytime you have been trying to start an engine this long you have washed down the cylinders, Do what NITROUSN said and squirt oil in the cylinder. Don't be shy, squirt a bunch in there. Then try again. And don't worry about it fouling the plugs, it will go.


This!!!! Using brake clean removed the oil off the cylinder walls and washed down the cylinders. Do what Nitrousn said and se if that works. It may be too late unfortunately.....

Re: 340 engine not starting, out of ideas [Re: Cuda340] #2877911
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Originally Posted by Cuda340
Originally Posted by SportF
Originally Posted by NITROUSN
I would pull the plugs and see if they are wet. Squirt a couple shots of oil in each hole. Verify timing on TCD and the rotor pointing at number 1. Make sure the oil is not diluted with gas. Either clean or replace the plugs. And see what it does. Could be the rings are washed .


Anytime you have been trying to start an engine this long you have washed down the cylinders, Do what NITROUSN said and squirt oil in the cylinder. Don't be shy, squirt a bunch in there. Then try again. And don't worry about it fouling the plugs, it will go.


This!!!! Using brake clean removed the oil off the cylinder walls and washed down the cylinders. Do what Nitrousn said and se if that works. It may be too late unfortunately.....


If it's not squeaking when it's turning over, it's probably not too late.


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