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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: dOc !]
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01/20/21 12:05 PM
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Alberta, Canada
300rag
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Last line ... I can understand the HellKitty combo ..,,but the others ?? Wonder what changed from 2018...
Peter
'65 300 'vert 413/4spd
'18 Challenger R/T Shaker
'19 Durango R/T
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: 300rag]
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01/20/21 12:09 PM
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Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
not_a_charger
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Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
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2 choices:
- follow the recommendation and don't tow with it
- tow with it anyway, and prepare to accept the consequences should something go wrong
Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck.
DBAP
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: larrymopar360]
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01/20/21 12:40 PM
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jlatessa
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Maybe the excess heat from turbo/supercharger equipped engines
running above the designed RPMs to road speed was their caution??
Joe
Edit Also, turbos under a constant load is tough on those not designed for that
type of use.
Last edited by jlatessa; 01/20/21 02:11 PM.
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: Mr PotatoHead]
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01/20/21 03:19 PM
01/20/21 03:19 PM
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larrymopar360
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This, would you use your jet boat in place of a tug boat.... no. Great. NOW you tell me. I've been doing this for years.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: dOc !]
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01/20/21 11:10 PM
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poorboy
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As I read it, it specifically reads "on supercharged vehicles".
Back in the 90s, Dodge did the same thing with the turbocharged cars, limited the towing capacity. The thought process back then was the forced induction puts extreme loads on drive line and drive train parts and towing would only increase that already high load.
Imagine a 6.4 supercharged Challenger leaving a stop light, pulling a steep hill, in the rain, probably a white knuckle ride. Now picture that same car at the same traffic light, looking at the same hill, in the rain, but now has to get 5,000 extra lbs to move that is hanging on the back bumper. The 1st event eliminated 75% of the "new" hellcat owners. The second event eliminated all but about the top 5%, and those guys are not going to hang a trailer hitch on their Hellcat, and probably wouldn't be driving in the rain.
Do the same deal except instead of rain, you add a 90 degree day in July, how long do you think that trans is going to last? The trans may do the actual towing just fine, the problem will come 20,000 miles down the road when those burnt up clutches in the trans show up. Got a trailer hitch, yep, your problem, not theirs. The car companies are covering their butts. Gene
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: poorboy]
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01/21/21 07:30 AM
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Bad340fish
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As I read it, it specifically reads "on supercharged vehicles".
Back in the 90s, Dodge did the same thing with the turbocharged cars, limited the towing capacity. The thought process back then was the forced induction puts extreme loads on drive line and drive train parts and towing would only increase that already high load.
Imagine a 6.4 supercharged Challenger leaving a stop light, pulling a steep hill, in the rain, probably a white knuckle ride. Now picture that same car at the same traffic light, looking at the same hill, in the rain, but now has to get 5,000 extra lbs to move that is hanging on the back bumper. The 1st event eliminated 75% of the "new" hellcat owners. The second event eliminated all but about the top 5%, and those guys are not going to hang a trailer hitch on their Hellcat, and probably wouldn't be driving in the rain.
Do the same deal except instead of rain, you add a 90 degree day in July, how long do you think that trans is going to last? The trans may do the actual towing just fine, the problem will come 20,000 miles down the road when those burnt up clutches in the trans show up. Got a trailer hitch, yep, your problem, not theirs. The car companies are covering their butts. Gene Note that the SRT Durango and SRT Jeep Cherokee, and TrackHawk Grand Cherokee all have towing ratings. Motor Trend even tested the new ram TRX 0-60 pulling a 24' airstream trailer(6.8 seconds BTW). I don't believe its the drivetrain at all, its the fact that if you hammered it from a stoplight with any significant weight hooked to a hitch it would probably rip it from the unibody ofd the LX cars.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: Bad340fish]
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01/21/21 04:16 PM
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I don't know anything about those cars but a few possibilities come to mind.
Do the hemi cars have a rear facia that hangs to low to clear a hitch?
Does the exhaust system on a hemi car get in the way of mounting an adequate hitch?
Will the wider tires on a hemi car rub if the back of the car sags from too much weight?
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: not_a_charger]
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01/23/21 09:37 PM
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They obviously have some concerns, maybe its a stability thing if the owner has the power to go to fast with a trailer?
They rate the hellcat and 6.4 powered grand cherokees for towing decent amounts so its not a drivetrain thing most likely. Its likely a legal deal covering their ass because something about that combo is less than ideal for towing. That, and they will look to deny warranty coverage for anything mechanical that goes wrong if they can show that you towed with it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I can tow all of them,,,,,2 atta time. Use the caRRoT VaN to ToE...... 
HEMI-ITIS has no cure.
My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: dOc !]
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01/24/21 02:16 PM
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Prospect, PA
BSB67
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"What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean....?"
When I see this statement, my instinctive reaction is: It's probably fine, unless you're a moron.
Remember, manufactures have to protect themselves from anyone that purchases the product.
I can easily see a manufacturer, and its lawyers, concluding that it's not a good idea to build a hot rod/performance car without the words "not recommend" when it comes to towing because of how Joe Q public might tow with it.
If there was a "real" problem with towing with it, they would use language different than "not recommended".
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: Mcode69]
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01/25/21 08:48 AM
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Bad340fish
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Probably got more to do with compression and cylinder pressure than anything else / DETONATION ! The same engine in the Grand Cherokee or Durango (the 6.4L) is rated to tow. Even the HellCat engine is rated to tow in other platforms.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: What does NOT RECOMMENDED mean ... ?
[Re: Mr PotatoHead]
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01/27/21 12:20 AM
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Mr PotatoHead
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A friend has been telling me of this rigged up kitty..... hea ya go Doc, get yous a big ole hitch and a pushbar for when the brakes fail.  Friend says this owner is wealthy and does as he wants weather rational or not.
STOP POTATO HATE!
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There's a guy on hellcat.org that has a hitch on his Charger and has no issues. I questioned whether having that trailer back there and no tow package with a button to turn off rear sensors that it would be beeping everytime you turn. He said no issue. 
