Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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Also, In 1968 the block matches the sequence number on the fender tag NOT the vin correct ? Same goes for the body numbers stamped in the radiator support / trunk lip ?
so much misinformation the 1968 model year hi-performance engines & transmissions were STAMPED with the last 8-digits of the VIN - 340 - 440HP - HEMI & Road Runner/Super Bee 383s NO Chrysler Corp. engines were ever factory stamped with the shipping order number
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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It also shows the B body 440 having the 22 inch. So could or should can be looked at as either or. That is someones spread sheet. The factory manual shows it but makes no mention of transmission. Unless that radiator was made with the cooler and sold in either application. the 22" radiator was available (STANDARD) in a b-body with a 440HP & automatic ONLY (without A/C & without an "axle package")
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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Just as Andy F said ... Even without a fender tag or a build sheet I would check to see if the stamping on the trunk lip matches the radiator support number.
The number on my original '68 RR from Lynch Road A8R279740 on both the radiator support and he trunk lip
A = Lynch Road built 8 = model year R = body style (Belvedere) 279740 = Shipping Order #
The location of the radiator support frame should be upside down facing the engine and stamped near the area of the upper radiator hose.
If that number matches the stamped number on the trunk lid stamped on the drivers side under the rubber weather strip then it came with a 22' radiator.
Now if the radiator support or the drivers side fender have been replace....it remains a question
Just my $.02
the top rail of a 22" radiator core support is the same as the top rail of a 26" radiator core support - the location of the stamp varies with assembly plant
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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Also, In 1968 the block matches the sequence number on the fender tag NOT the vin correct ? Same goes for the body numbers stamped in the radiator support / trunk lip ?
so much misinformation the 1968 model year hi-performance engines & transmissions were STAMPED with the last 8-digits of the VIN - 340 - 440HP - HEMI & Road Runner/Super Bee 383s NO Chrysler Corp. engines were ever factory stamped with the shipping order number I couldnt remember if it was Vin # or Sequence number
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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This wasn’t possible, right? 440 4 speed got Dana and a 26 always I thought. No fender tag or sheet present to see anything. I think looking at the options combination you could get a 44, with torqueflight non sure grip rear end, and that would get you the 22" radiator. Its not common, but they pop up every so often. Once you add a four speed to the 375 HP 440 or to the 426 Hemi, you get a performance package option (Trak Pak or Super Trak Pak) and that gets you a 26" radiator. The opening in the floor pan above does not look stock to me. The four speed opening was stamped. The hump goes over the opening with about 1/2" to 1" of additional coverage over the opening. The hump is stich welded from the inside of the car in about 6 to eight places with about 2" long welds. All of this is assuming you are talking about 68 and 69 B-bodies.
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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The 68 parts manual also shows Full size Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge with the 440 having a 2898063 radiator with the 22 inch core. So yes the GTX could have a 22 inch according to the parts manual. As said if you were a betting man the 26 should win the bet. However there is no doubt they are out there. It would be nice to have more information to back it up. The radiator may have numbers that could help prove or un-prove its originality. so much misinformation the GTX isn't a full-size model the 4-speed manual was NOT available in a C-body with a 440 What mis-information? Never said the GTX was a full size model. I only stated the parts manual showed a 22 inch core part number 2898063 with a full size C-Body cars with a 440 as an example. I also never said there was a 4 speed in a c-body. I reaffirmed what the parts manual said about the B-body with a 440 taking a 22 inch core part number 2949053. So where is the mis-information??
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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The 68 parts manual also shows Full size Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge with the 440 having a 2898063 radiator with the 22 inch core. So yes the GTX could have a 22 inch according to the parts manual. As said if you were a betting man the 26 should win the bet. However there is no doubt they are out there. It would be nice to have more information to back it up. The radiator may have numbers that could help prove or un-prove its originality. so much misinformation the GTX isn't a full-size model the 4-speed manual was NOT available in a C-body with a 440 What mis-information? Never said the GTX was a full size model. I only stated the parts manual showed a 22 inch core part number 2898063 with a full size C-Body cars with a 440 as an example. I also never said there was a 4 speed in a c-body. I reaffirmed what the parts manual said about the B-body with a 440 taking a 22 inch core part number 2949053. So where is the mis-information?? the subject is Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator my apologies, I thought you were talking on subject
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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I think looking at the options combination you could get a 440, with torqueflight non sure grip rear end, and that would get you the 22" radiator. Its not common, but they pop up every so often. Once you add a four speed to the 375 HP 440 or to the 426 Hemi, you get a performance package option (Trak Pak or Super Trak Pak) and that gets you a 26" radiator.
for the '68-'70 GTX, Coronet R/T & Charger R/T - the 440HP engine * 727 automatic transmission * 22" radiator - is the most common built combination
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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For the record, a 4-speed manual transmission WAS available in a C-body with a 440. thanks! 440 4-speed c-bodies were available 1966-1968 (with 26" radiators)
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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I think looking at the options combination you could get a 440, with torqueflight non sure grip rear end, and that would get you the 22" radiator. Its not common, but they pop up every so often. Once you add a four speed to the 375 HP 440 or to the 426 Hemi, you get a performance package option (Trak Pak or Super Trak Pak) and that gets you a 26" radiator.
for the '68-'70 GTX, Coronet R/T & Charger R/T - the 440HP engine * 727 automatic transmission * 22" radiator - is the most common built combination Probably the same in '71. I have had a couple of '71 GTXs with 440/727 and 22" radiators. And open rear ends. Heavy Duty suspensions were standard, but not Sure-Grips with autos. Some crazy stuff.
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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This wasn’t possible, right? 440 4 speed got Dana and a 26 always I thought. No fender tag or sheet present to see anything. I think looking at the options combination you could get a 44, with torqueflight non sure grip rear end, and that would get you the 22" radiator. Its not common, but they pop up every so often. Once you add a four speed to the 375 HP 440 or to the 426 Hemi, you get a performance package option (Trak Pak or Super Trak Pak) and that gets you a 26" radiator. The opening in the floor pan above does not look stock to me. The four speed opening was stamped. The hump goes over the opening with about 1/2" to 1" of additional coverage over the opening. The hump is stich welded from the inside of the car in about 6 to eight places with about 2" long welds. All of this is assuming you are talking about 68 and 69 B-bodies. That’s what I recalled. After seeing the additional pics and confirming with you guys I think this is a converted car and a previous owner blew some smoke about it having a Dana. 68 gtx.
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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I've seen several 440 4 speed cars with 8 3/4 rears with 3.23 ratio, I think all the Hemi 4 speed cars came with Dana 60 only, 3.54 or 4.10 ratio while the 440 4 speed cars could have come with the 8 3/4 with the 3.23, 3.55, 3.91 and maybe 4.11 ratio it's is simply not the way they came from the factory - bring evidence of one 440-4 speed- 8 3/4" car (non-'66 c-body) bring evidence of one 440-4 speed- 22" radiator car Agree, In my 35 years in the hobby. I've seen a couple of them in person, a 70 Coronet R/T, 69 GTX 440, 69 Hemi RR, 70- V-Code Charger all D21's and all have been proved to be fakes. I would imagine one may have made by mistake maybe. I've never seen that one.
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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Not a 440 but my friend's 71 Super Bee was a 383 22" radiator 4 speed dana.
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Re: Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?
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Not a 440 but my friend's 71 Super Bee was a 383 22" radiator 4 speed dana. prove a 383 car left the factory with a DANA - it did not happen!!!a 383 Super Bee with a 22" radiator & a 4-speed would be a factory 3.23:1 8-3/4" car
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