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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: Dragula] #2848010
11/18/20 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragula
Because with good heads and a stroker kit and a turbo, it goes kaboom real easy above 750hp...The block is a big limiter hp wise. Which is why most will just build a 700hp NA stroker.


So earlier this year you boasted about making 800 NA horse in a stock block now you're saying 750 horse will break a stock block?
What gives?

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: GTS340] #2848036
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No excuses anymore, crate motor, bolt in and wire up...

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: astjp2] #2855713
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Here is a couple iterations of my procharger setup.
The left mount was one a friend fabbed up
The other was what someone built for me with a D1X..
I decided to run on the right side. I eventually made up a template out of plywood to mock up and then cut it out of Aluminum for my little F1X. It is the same physical size of an F2 but smaller. I bought it as I got it used.
The EFI setup is expensive but running boost with a carb on the street is a special skill set.
EFI Is a awesome way to go with loads of tuning flexibilty.

I currently foot brake and run pump gas, but I would probably go to a turbo 400 trans if I want to step it up the power
Deciding to go faster can be easier with a pulley swap and retune.

It is a lot of power for the street, but the street manners are pretty decent.

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: Kam*Kuda] #2855719
12/05/20 02:19 PM
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Here is the complete setup
500 inch
Fast XFI
F1X Procharger COG

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1970 Barracuda Convertible
1968 Satellite Street Strip car
1654.5 Mustang
1955 Land Rover
Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: GTS340] #2855829
12/05/20 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GTS340
Originally Posted by Dragula
Because with good heads and a stroker kit and a turbo, it goes kaboom real easy above 750hp...The block is a big limiter hp wise. Which is why most will just build a 700hp NA stroker.


So earlier this year you boasted about making 800 NA horse in a stock block now you're saying 750 horse will break a stock block?
What gives?


Depends on what you consider "stock block" and what you do to the bottom end..If you read it carefully, I stated "above" 750hp.....Now we are even doing partial fill along with a girdle....as we go over the 700hp barrier.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: Kam*Kuda] #2855905
12/06/20 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Kam*Kuda
Here is the complete setup
500 inch
Fast XFI
F1X Procharger COG




Kind of off topic a little but a couple of ?......what mph are you pushing ? Is that 500"in a stock block? And how is that hood holding up?

Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: racerx] #2856063
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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: Dragula] #2856232
12/06/20 08:24 PM
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How much boost did they use for 2k HP?? Doesn't seem possible on pump junk but I just watched that vid! shruggy


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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: astjp2] #2876071
01/18/21 02:06 PM
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I am new to forced inductions, but I don't think I will go N/A again. I don't make a whole lot of power, but it is so much easier with forced induction. I have a 2018 5.7 hemi with a drop in pistons and rods, cam (226/235 .582/.582), headers and TorqStorm Supercharger in a 73 Challenger that weighs around 3650 lbs. I have ran a best of 10.31 at 132.70 mph with a lazy 1.56 60 ft. I am planning to add a transbrake to be able to launch with boost and hopefully get the 60' down. The car has been 1.43 60ft with a N/A 430 cid small block. This car idles way too smooth and cruises awesome.

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: 416challenger] #2876117
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Originally Posted by 416challenger
I am new to forced inductions, but I don't think I will go N/A again. I don't make a whole lot of power, but it is so much easier with forced induction. I have a 2018 5.7 hemi with a cam (226/235 .582/.582), headers and TorqStorm Supercharger in a 73 Challenger that weighs around 3650 lbs. I have ran a best of 10.31 at 132.70 mph with a lazy 1.56 60 ft. I am planning to add a transbrake to be able to launch with boost and hopefully get the 60' down. The car has been 1.43 60ft with a N/A 430 cid small block. This car idles way too smooth and cruises awesome.


With just a cam & headers, that's pretty awesome with a 5.7..


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: feets] #2877868
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ill never do it because I like simple, no oil lines, inter coolers, intake and exhaust pipes running all over under the hood, mountains of fabrication, trying to keep the engine cool and the intercooler cool, blow off valves, more vacuum lines and electronics to make it all be happy... get a little greedy with the boost because it really is so easy then you got to tear it all apart and fix it, I just like clean and simple, less places for problems, leaks, glitches... give me a big stroker kit and some good heads any day of the week, and if I only make 500 hp so what, thats more than enough for a 3000lb a-body street car.


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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: HotRodDave] #2877917
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
if I only make 500 hp so what, thats more than enough for a 3000lb a-body street car.


Bahahahah!


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11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: GY3] #2878924
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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: moparx] #2880282
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my 610 cuin hemi had 18 lbs of boost with a f2 procharger and FAST efi set up 160 lb injectors i made 1381 hp and 1200 ft lbs of torque at 6300 rpm on e-85 out of the pump at sheetz car is 3960 lbs ran some 5.60 in the 1/8 on the street !!! at road kill


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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: 572charger] #2884049
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396" with stock ported heads and 86mm turbo, fueltech, E100.. will be running on the next few months... let´s see how it goes..

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: 572charger] #2884146
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Originally Posted by 572charger
my 610 cuin hemi had 18 lbs of boost with a f2 procharger and FAST efi set up 160 lb injectors i made 1381 hp and 1200 ft lbs of torque at 6300 rpm on e-85 out of the pump at sheetz car is 3960 lbs ran some 5.60 in the 1/8 on the street !!! at road kill

Road kill 2019 or 2020??

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: hemi-itis] #2884964
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2018 and 2019 they didnt have it in 2020 what a blast we had hope to do it again this year !!!


606 hemi pump gas best 9.60 at 142mph on motor
05 hemi daytona 1500 go-mango 4wd quadcab
2007 hotrod mag pump gas drags runner up, roadkill nights dodge big tire winner 2018 2019 back to back
Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: 572charger] #2885087
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I'm putting a Procharcharger on a 6.1 in a 68 RoadRunner as we speak. Car is struts, big tire, lots of fiberglass. Should be fun .
Going to line it out and sell to finance the twins on the big hemi.

Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: FastmOp] #2885416
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I’m trying it out. 408, solid roller. Gear drive. 162 mini blower. 8:1 compression

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Re: Why aren't there more forced induction cars? [Re: mopardude318] #2887146
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Our twin turbo hemi makes right about 5000 hp. It's all a matter of matching parts to power and keeping up with maintenance.

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