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Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: dizuster] #287518
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forget the 83/4 get a dana




Jeez', It's a 9.5:1 360 with a hydraulic cam for God's sake...and it didn't even break the ring gear or axle shaft, it broke a posi.

"Get a Dana"




How many more of them does he have to break before it won't seem so ridiculous

I've seen similiar motors scatter 727's like they were made of fine china.
The combo is obviously hard on parts or this thread wouldn't be here.

As for the question, If you can't swing the dana now, go with the spool. It's cheap, and there's no pin to come out and smash your gears.

Most who say you can't drive a spool on the street, have never tried. My car is a spool(now in the dana, and was in the 8 3/4 too), and street driven. I doubt you would know the difference if you drove it

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: Cab_Burge] #287519
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a dana isint in the budget right now. its either fix the 8 3/4 or let it sit broken.


Let it sit until you can afford a GOOD Dana, small blocks with 4 speeds kill 8 3/4 eventually every time you race them, street or strip In fact any 4 speed Mopar that is raced on the street or strip will break the 8 3/4 eventually if it makes any power and hooks up at all Huh, Quicktree





When I was reading this post, I thought it was Quicktree

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: dave571] #287520
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a dana isint in the budget right now. its either fix the 8 3/4 or let it sit broken.


Let it sit until you can afford a GOOD Dana, small blocks with 4 speeds kill 8 3/4 eventually every time you race them, street or strip In fact any 4 speed Mopar that is raced on the street or strip will break the 8 3/4 eventually if it makes any power and hooks up at all Huh, Quicktree





When I was reading this post, I thought it was Quicktree


It ain't my favorite Ford Nine inch fan, it is me, the 8 3/4 lover. But not in 4 speed cars that hook Sorry to disappoint you or any other true Mopar lovers like me But I would rather be truthful and help a fellow Mopar racer save some bucks and frustration on trying to do something with a 8 3/4 to make it live behind a 4 speed when it won't live 4 speed cars eat parts, you have to feed the monster, you can feed it tires or axles or U joints or ring and pinion or clutches and so on, but you got to feed it. I like feeding them tires and clutches, not U joints, axles or ring and pinion gears Been there, done that many years ago, Hemi Cuda 4 speed on nine inch tires on 8 3/4 in a 4 speed car


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Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: Cab_Burge] #287521
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I'm with you here.

The proof is in the pudding. He's breaking them. Plain and simple.

Isn't the definition of insanity, to keep doing the same thing over and over, and expect a different result?

I understand budget restraints(that the original poster has mentioned), so thats why I suggested the spool. Hopefully that just doesn't make the breaking point move to the caps next.

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: dave571] #287522
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I dont want to keep doing the same thing over thats why i started this thread. i thought the cone posi units may just be weaker than the disc type. the 3 i broke were 3 different cars over about 13 years.
I have smaller radial tires on it now also for the street, the sticky tires are not on it anymore unless i decide to race it and get better parts.
i tried a spool in another car and i didnt like it at all.the tires churped pulling out of parking lots, the got the cops attention ,the town cops like to have something to complain about.
I have a lot of center sections i could use ,489,742,741. what one is better?
I would like to get a dana for it but i would just like to get it driveable again until i can afford it. I figure i will keep the sticky tires off it until i get better parts.

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: dirt] #287523
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Rebuild the clutch type, install it in the 742 case and drive it. As mentioned above the cone style sure grips are junk. Contact member Drdiff for the parts you need .

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: justinp61] #287524
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the auburn (cone style) limited slip is a POS....some other (more expensive options) than rebuilding one of your existing clutch units would be the detroit tru-trac (torsen style limited slip) or a detroit locker.


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Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: patrick] #287525
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The 489 or 742 case are the ones to use. Both are strong. Pick one and get a new clutch style suregrip or spend the bucks on a locker for it if you don't want to use a spool. CHIP


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Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: an8sec70cuda] #287526
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The 489 or 742 case are the ones to use. Both are strong. Pick one and get a new clutch style suregrip or spend the bucks on a locker for it if you don't want to use a spool. CHIP





If you decide to go with the 489 case put in a solid
pinion spacer which is already in the 742 case, go with
either as long as you have the clutch posi for it

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: dirt] #287527
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I tore up another rear. the pin that runs throught the posi unit came out and ran into the pinion gear and destroyed it. it was the type of posi without the clutch disc in it. this is the 3rd time this type of posi has came apart on me like this. all different cars but same type of posi. the clutch type has never came apart on me like this.

is this type of posi unit just not as strong?




And yet you chose to keep using the cone type even after you killed the second one ... WHAT were you thinking ??

Cone types are GARBAGE and you should have realized that after the FIRST one failed ...

I've got a rebuilt one if you're feeling LUCKY ...

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: Cab_Burge] #287528
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a dana isint in the budget right now. its either fix the 8 3/4 or let it sit broken.


Let it sit until you can afford a GOOD Dana, small blocks with 4 speeds kill 8 3/4 eventually every time you race them, street or strip In fact any 4 speed Mopar that is raced on the street or strip will break the 8 3/4 eventually if it makes any power and hooks up at all Huh, Quicktree





I have to agree with this, I killed a 3.23 single track behind a 340 with a 4 speed ... Chrysler released a TSB 1969 for 69 B bodies with an 8 3/4 and 3.91 gears in 4 speed cars , if they came in broken to replace the rear with a 4.10 Dana ...

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: JohnRR] #287529
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I just scanned this thread, but here is my 2 pennys.

I'd go Dana with a power loc unit. A 4 speed will break 8 3/4 parts if it hooks up a bit. I would not go spool!

I just built a dana / power loc unit for my car and the clutches just broke in. WHen they were tight, it was like a spool. I don't care what others tell you, it is a PITA when the two axles are locked together on the street. If I'd turn the wheel about an inch, the car would come to a STOP. Backing out of my driveway required reving the freaking engine like the E-brake was fully engaged. Then the tires would chirp and the clutches would pop and bang. No lockers for me and no spools for me.

Heck Jim Pranis was going 8's in a 4000lbs charger with a Powerloc Dana!

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: LAR_414] #287530
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Aside from a crappy posi, what kills 8.75's the caps? I have not read about anyone breaking an axle just the caps.http://www.dragracingonline.com/xi_3-toc.html
http://www.risesales.com/pages/Dragracecentral/john_mccormack.html

look at this car

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Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: Blown61] #287531
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To everyone who keeps asking me why i keep using the cone posi here is your answer. I didnt know what was in the rear until i broke it and tor the rear apart, it was 3 different cars.I didnt use that type again. but if the car i got came with it in it there was no way to know until i broke it and tore it down.
thanks for all of the advice.

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: Blown61] #287532
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Aside from a crappy posi, what kills 8.75's the caps? I have not read about anyone breaking an axle just the caps.http://www.dragracingonline.com/xi_3-toc.html
http://www.risesales.com/pages/Dragracecentral/john_mccormack.html

look at this car




I had an 8-3/4" 742 case in my 74 charger with a pretty hot 440 and an automatic. It was a clutch sure grip. The first time it broke, it broke the cross shafts right through the thrust plug holes. The pieces took out the ring gear. After I bought all new pieces and a higher strength cross shaft/pinion set, it lasted a few more years, but broke the same way. I've used a Dana ever since.

IMO I recommend in this order:

Dana 60 with Power Lok sure grip (clutch) or Detroit locker
8-3/4" with Power Lok sure grip (clutches)or Detroit Locker (if available) with aluminum MP center section
8-3/4" with spool and 742 or 489 case
8-3/4" with Power Lok sure grip (clutches)with 742 or 489 case and billet caps
8-3/4" with Power Lok sure grip (clutches) with 742 or 489 case

Even though you use the Power Lok, another weak area could be exposed (usually the left cap will break). It rally comes down to shock load (4 speed) weight and engine torque.

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742 [Re: torkrules] #287533
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There is nothing wrong with a 8.75 they as strong or better then the so called super 9 inch Fords. My 4 spd car only broke one thing a side bearing went bad, and that was with 9 inch slicks and dropping the clutch 5 clutches to one bearing is not a bad ratio. When they are built right they work well by the way Dana's are not unbreakable, I have had several over the years blow out in truck applications and believe me it was nothing severe auto trans etc

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A 4 speed will break 8 3/4 parts if it hooks up a bit. I would not go spool!





And a solid hub dual disc clutch will break something between the clutch and the Dana. Put some slicks on it and you will find that something

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To everyone who keeps asking me why i keep using the cone posi here is your answer. I didnt know what was in the rear until i broke it and tor the rear apart, it was 3 different cars.I didnt use that type again. but if the car i got came with it in it there was no way to know until i broke it and tore it down.
thanks for all of the advice.




Sorry , you made it sound like you just kept putting cone types in everytime you broke one hoping third time was a charm ...

Re: trashed another rear, what rear to use now? 489,742,741 [Re: dirt] #287536
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I tore up another rear. the pin that runs throught the posi unit came out and ran into the pinion gear and destroyed it. it was the type of posi without the clutch disc in it. this is the 3rd time this type of posi has came apart on me like this. all different cars but same type of posi. the clutch type has never came apart on me like this.





No, it was some people that replied that made it seem like he kept rebuilding them.

In typical webboard fashion, once you get more than a 1/2 page of replies your original question is distorted...


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A 4 speed will break 8 3/4 parts if it hooks up a bit. I would not go spool!





And a solid hub dual disc clutch will break something between the clutch and the Dana. Put some slicks on it and you will find that something




You're probably right, but I plan on spinning the tires at the track. My dad's been doing it this way for 40 years. At my power level, I'll let the slicks turn a few revolutions and my parts should survive just fine!

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