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Goody brings up a decent point. As with many posts, things can go right or left quickly getting off topic. So, let's start the discussion up here.

Pittsburgh, I dont believe I read anywhere in your posts you were bad mouthing modern stuff, just the concept of roll racing, which is fine
and your opinion. Can't fault one there.

I honestly thought when the post first went up, it was going to be similar to the previous Doc street race post, glad it wasn't, but it did take a turn.

So, first I will say, if you've never been to a roll race, give it a try. You may enjoy it as much or more than a standard drag race. I took my oldest son to his first at Pocono a few months ago. It was fun, but after 4 hours he had enough ( frankly I did too after standing in 40 degree and misting weather conditions) but we both saw a lot of our favorite exotics, super, and hyper cars. And some interesting unique rides as well. They were all doing what they were built to do- go fast.

Finally, the name designated to roll racers- first off i don't give a schitt what your sexual preference or orientation is. When a bunch of adults refer to someone else like this because they have a difference of opinion, your just showing the rest of us the beginning of your own insecurities. We should be at least supporting one another in motorsports as a whole. I don t think the upcoming generation's are really going to give a crap about racing, to the point it may all but vanish in the next 20-30 years( man I hope not). The bullet isn't a site I've visited in the last 5 years, its pretty much become a huge porn/schitt talking show with some tech tossed in for measure. If thats anyone's thing, fine.

So, anyone who's done both, post up your thoughts. What do you prefer? What would you change?

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One change I would suggest is do it on the racetrack. These cars are crazy fast now and as soon as poop hits the fan and someone innocent is hurt or killed they were “drag racing” to the newscasts.


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


One change I would suggest is do it on the racetrack. These cars are crazy fast now and as soon as poop hits the fan and someone innocent is hurt or killed they were “drag racing” to the newscasts.


Not sure if some wires got crossed, but roll racing is conducted at race tracks. Talking about legitimate roll race events, not street racing.

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"Roll racing?" Somebody is making-up a new term & there is no reason for it, other than someone trying to stake claim they invented something new. WHO CARES?

Back in the summer of 1976 with my first car - a 70 Cuda, I was street racing many times. When you ran somebody from a roll - it was called simply what it was - "we ran from a 30-roll." What else needs to be said? Does someone have bragging rights to a new terminology?

Also: "drifting." Once again, I never heard this term until probably the 90's. Again, WHO CARES?


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So please share the basics, I guess I get it's hybrid drag racing started from a roll, but who decides the speed, is there a starting line, who decides if both cars are lined up properly, where is the finish line, it can be done anywhere(?), and what problem or attribute does it solve or highlight, to start the discussion?

All the other personal preferences, slights, etc, I'll use my time honored response, "I don't care". biggrin


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Originally Posted by moparjim79
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One change I would suggest is do it on the racetrack. These cars are crazy fast now and as soon as poop hits the fan and someone innocent is hurt or killed they were “drag racing” to the newscasts.


Not sure if some wires got crossed, but roll racing is conducted at race tracks. Talking about legitimate roll race events, not street racing.



Roll racing is done on the street everyday. Where have you been. Lol 😂


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by moparjim79
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


One change I would suggest is do it on the racetrack. These cars are crazy fast now and as soon as poop hits the fan and someone innocent is hurt or killed they were “drag racing” to the newscasts.


Not sure if some wires got crossed, but roll racing is conducted at race tracks. Talking about legitimate roll race events, not street racing.



Roll racing is done on the street everyday. Where have you been. Lol 😂



just go observe any traffic light, especially at rush hour. someone moves first, the other guy leaves and gets along side, then the "roll" begins. biggrin
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Do a search for "Street car takeover" on Youtube.

Plenty of tracks doing this now.

I can't say that it interests me in the least except when an impromptu challenge happens on the street. My last one was with a C7 Z06 'Vette...


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"roll races" on the street for the most part (for me) "back in the day" were only realized in about 10 feet after the traffic light went green. If you were going to race on the green light that was usually set up with glances and nods while the traffic light was red and you knew both of you were going to go on the green light. If not then you rolled away from the stop on green and if the other car maintained the same roll out speed then you knew this was a race from that roll out speed. If one or the other just sat or delayed when the traffic light turned green then they didn't want to race or chance getting busted for street racing or exceeding the posted speed limit. The very first street race I did with my '69 Road Runner in the spring of 1969 was with a co-worker and his 396 Chevelle on the way to night shift work about 10:45 pm. I had only had the RR for a few days and caught him just before we were turning onto a four lane bridge over the Mon river from McK to Dravosburg. I pulled up to him in the left lane, he surprisingly looked over at me not knowing up to that point I just bought the RR and I hear and see him downshift and the race was on. Why we did that I'll never know because we both knew the borough on the other side of the bridge was a notorious 35 mph speed limit heavily enforced and most times speed trap. I beat him by a car and a half with the help of the 3.91 rear and 727 and of course we both got pulled over at the top of the hill about a mile from the bridge as we pulled away from the traffic light that we stopped for behind a nice Camaro. He let the Camaro go and told us had we not stopped he knew the Chevelle from seeing it going to work and would have gotten us sooner or later. He said he clocked us at over 85 mph when we went through the lines they had on the road but wrote both of up for 45 in a 35. Paid the $50 fine the very next morning when I got off work. No that was a roll race grin and all without any setup. Roll races just happen......most of the time wink

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A few month later I had Hooker headers and a few engine mods and the same cop got me to race his buddy's RR and that's another street race story.....but from a dead stop and not on the bridge. wink

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Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
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One change I would suggest is do it on the racetrack. These cars are crazy fast now and as soon as poop hits the fan and someone innocent is hurt or killed they were “drag racing” to the newscasts.


Not sure if some wires got crossed, but roll racing is conducted at race tracks. Talking about legitimate roll race events, not street racing.



Roll racing is done on the street everyday. Where have you been. Lol 😂



just go observe any traffic light, especially at rush hour. someone moves first, the other guy leaves and gets along side, then the "roll" begins. biggrin
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beer beer I was writing my above post when you posted yours and that is spot on beer beer

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Flooring a car at 30mph or 40mph or whatever takes the driver out of the equation as well as car prep. The driver doesn't have to know anything about the car or how to drive. Just floor it at the appropriate time and see what happens.

Today's muscle cars don't have nearly enough traction to use all their power at launch, but then neither did our cars 50 years ago. Getting the car off the line was a HUGE part of the race. Of course, that took practice and skill.

Like so many other things today, no knowledge, no skill, no experience necessary. Just a payment book.

Roll racing is for Pu$$ies. hammer


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Roll Racing, Kinda like NASCAR only different.


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Back when I did races from a roll a long time ago I guess it was like a wild west gun draw. Both cars even going whatever speed and whoever nailed it first well that signaled go time. It doesn't matter if it wasn't at a strip from a dead stop. Bragging rights are bragging rights. Not to mention it was fun!!


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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Back when I did races from a roll a long time ago I guess it was like a wild west gun draw. Both cars even going whatever speed and whoever nailed it first well that signaled go time. It doesn't matter if it wasn't at a strip from a dead stop. Bragging rights are bragging rights. Not to mention it was fun!!


Yep....whoever pulls the trigger first usually won! LOL

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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Flooring a car at 30mph or 40mph or whatever takes the driver out of the equation as well as car prep. The driver doesn't have to know anything about the car or how to drive. Just floor it at the appropriate time and see what happens.

Today's muscle cars don't have nearly enough traction to use all their power at launch, but then neither did our cars 50 years ago. Getting the car off the line was a HUGE part of the race. Of course, that took practice and skill.

Like so many other things today, no knowledge, no skill, no experience necessary. Just a payment book.

Roll racing is for Pu$$ies. hammer


I suggest you watch some serious cars go at it and rethink your position.

There are plenty of 1500+ hp cars with major traction issues at 60+ mph hits. It's not unheard of to have 2000+ hp E85 street cars on 26" tall radials going at it from 60-180 mph. You need to be on your toes when you're painting the street at 100+ mph.




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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Flooring a car at 30mph or 40mph or whatever takes the driver out of the equation as well as car prep. The driver doesn't have to know anything about the car or how to drive. Just floor it at the appropriate time and see what happens.

Today's muscle cars don't have nearly enough traction to use all their power at launch, but then neither did our cars 50 years ago. Getting the car off the line was a HUGE part of the race. Of course, that took practice and skill.

Like so many other things today, no knowledge, no skill, no experience necessary. Just a payment book.

Roll racing is for Pu$$ies. hammer


Spoken like someone who has absolutely no idea or experience in the matter. If you had in your possession a street legal 700+ whp vehicle, you would not speak this way. Go to a true, sanctioned roll race and spectate, or just watch one online? Guys and gals, we are not talking about street racing.

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Originally Posted by jcc
So please share the basics, I guess I get it's hybrid drag racing started from a roll, but who decides the speed, is there a starting line, who decides if both cars are lined up properly, where is the finish line, it can be done anywhere(?), and what problem or attribute does it solve or highlight, to start the discussion?

All the other personal preferences, slights, etc, I'll use my time honored response, "I don't care". biggrin


Ok, this is a reasonable request here. The basics: from what I've seen, there's a little more timing equipment and personnel used to monitor racers and honesty. Races are usually started at 55 or 60 mph and once a predetermined point is crossed, racers do their thing. The advantages, I've been told, are this type of racing is much easier on the car and components themselves than a dig race off the line .

These races are usually held at runways or oval race tracks.
There is tech and safety inspections and drivers meetings
Just like any form of racing, you have to set your car up for it.

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I think we are talking about two different things. On a track roll racing may be kinda cool. On a public road roll racing is not only dangerous it’s kinda lets say colorful. 700-1000 and probably higher than that is manageable if you know how to manage it. They make the perfect equipment to do this.


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422 Indy headed small block
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


I think we are talking about two different things. On a track roll racing may be kinda cool. On a public road roll racing is not only dangerous it’s kinda lets say colorful. 700-1000 and probably higher than that is manageable if you know how to manage it. They make the perfect equipment to do this.


Now your on board with my post! This is exactly what I'm talking about. I wish some people would read the post and then respond instead of just the thread title and post. I dont condone street racing, and I am guilty of doing so before.

I do occasionally enjoy a "spirited drive" but I don't go cruising and looking for "victims" anymore. I've got to much im greatful for to lose it all in an instant. These sanctioned roll races expose the populace to cars generally relegated to the likes of youtube fantasies and the like. While I am and ALWAYS will be a mopar dude, I just love cars. And speed. I respect the builds, and anyone who's worked their asses off to build something either does too or they should regardless of make or model. Nobody shows up to these races with show queens with no guts. You'll get laughed right off the property and ridiculed for weeks online if you don't come "packin' ". We witnessed a twin hairdryer Lambo crush the 200mph barrier at the last event we attended. I dare you to call this dude a " pu$$y or a queer" to his face. You won't. If you do, you'll wake up in a hospital bed.

Once again, if you have no experience with this type of racing just quietly continue reading.

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