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Push rod oiling #2866667
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Does anyone have pics of the push rod oiling set up on a alum. KB block ?
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Hemi or wedge and which heads?


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I haven't used pushrod oiling on a KB aluminum block, I do use pushrod oiling on my current S/P 400 block stroker motor with a set of Indy 440-1 heads that have a set of the Jesel paired shaft rocker arms with no oiling from the heads
I bought a set of Comp Cams AMC solid roller lifters for pushrod oiling and a set of Indy spray bar valve covers and used both on that motor for the first couple weekend racing, I was over oiling the top end so I ended up taking one of the spray bar covers off and block the oil line off that went to that head. I raced it 3 more weekends like that and saw no harm on the side with no spray bar oiling and change the other side to pushrod oiling only and haven't look back up shruggy
I have a set of the original B1 heads back east for freshening right now that came with the Jesel paired shaft rocker arm set up like the 440-1 heads are using so I will probably used the same lifters on it to start with, no spray bar oiling this time luck up Those heads are going on a new KB 4.500 bore size aluminum wedge block (572 C.I.) that I'm hoping I can make close to 900 HP on Oregon 92 octane non ethanol pump swill devil


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I'm looking for ideas on the way it's plumbed to the lifters .How /what type of distribution block the lines got to .

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The Comp AMC lifters oil through the stock Mopar oiling system through the sides from the stock lifter bores, does your block have provisions to oil the lifter bores? scope
Mine does with a .060 size hole to the lifer bores shruggy I'm planning on using that system to oil my rocker arms with pushrod oiling luck


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My KB block doesn't oil through the lifters

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Originally Posted by a493demon
My KB block doesn't oil through the lifters

When I bought my KB aluminum block, I paid for the option to have the lifter galleries oil pressurized.
In 2014, they had the oil pressure flow around the rear cam bearing (between a groove in the block and the bearing shell),
then it went up to the lifter galleries.

My understanding of the newer blocks (see new picture here) is the yellow lines.

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When I ordered my keith black block I messed up and didn’t have it drilled for pushrod oiling. Tom Hemphill 30 miles from me in pa drilled it for me and fixed me up.


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Originally Posted by a493demon
I'm looking for ideas on the way it's plumbed to the lifters .How /what type of distribution block the lines got to .


I could email you some pictures of how I did my Indy Maxx block if you're interested.

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Thanks for the pics

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Challenger451,
Did you do that distribution block work yourself ?
I am in the same boat, I have an older KB block with no lifter gallies,
only way to do it is what you did.

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Originally Posted by hemienvy
Challenger451,
Did you do that distribution block work yourself ?
I am in the same boat, I have an older KB block with no lifter gallies,
only way to do it is what you did.


Yessir. I think I had about 40hrs into the whole project. Indy's price was around $800.00 to drill the block for pushrod oiling and I was trying to keep costs down where I could so I decided to do it this way. If I were to start over today, I'd gladly pay them the $800 to have it done. smile

I used a 0.040 nitrous jet in each of the feeds. My theory there was if I tossed a lifter, I wouldn't lose oil pressure. I just broke a rocker this fall and only lost a few psi of oil pressure so I guess it worked. I'm having the lifter bores bushed over the winter because the one that got tossed ended up gouging the bore.

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Thanks Challenger, sorry for the late reply.
I guess it won't be that expensive but sure will be time consuming.
It looks like the tubes are Nickel-Copper, NiCopp is quite easy to bend and flare.

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Originally Posted by hemienvy
Thanks Challenger, sorry for the late reply.
I guess it won't be that expensive but sure will be time consuming.
It looks like the tubes are Nickel-Copper, NiCopp is quite easy to bend and flare.


That's correct, I used Ni-Copp tubing and it was pretty easy to work with. The fittings on the block side are 1/16" NPT x -03 AN, I think from Fragola. I cut the AN side down so 0.040" a flare jet can be inserted to mate up with a flare fitting and provide a restriction. That might have bene overkill, but I was already into the project for so many hours, I figured a couple more won't hurt.... smile

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Here is how I did my Indy Block same concept sent it to the machine shop to have them drill the holes then I plumb it after that works great. Note the the section I welded on the inlet side it acts as an accumulator so the oil flows evenly to all the lifter and push rods.

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JD, I like it. Lot of work, no way around it.

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Stupid question...what situation/combo requires pushrod oiling? Or is just a preference?
The stuff I've messed w/ has all been conventional oiling.


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One question why didn’t you guys just use number three stainless flex lines. Sure would save a lot of work.


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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Stupid question...what situation/combo requires pushrod oiling? Or is just a preference?
The stuff I've messed w/ has all been conventional oiling.


Paired T and D individual shaft rockers need pushrod oiling.


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