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Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: feets] #2868634
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http://508charger.yolasite.com/


440 - 508 cuin
MP/Eddy aluminum heads CNC ported std port window
10.8:1 CR
<250° @ 0.050” w/ 0.600” ish lift – solid roller
200#/500# ish Isky springs
Pro Magnum rockers (1.5)
440-2D intake
Small venture (1.375”) “950” hp style carb
Factory exhaust manifolds. Window opened.
2 ½” exhaust system with tailpipes
Ultra Flow mufflers


4150# race weight
P255 MT ET street radial
3.23
727 w/ TG2 auto shift
Stock converter – 1900 stall
Race it in “D”
1.90 ish 60 ft times
Good Air – DA 2000 ish - 11.70 @ 119 ish
Best – 11.68 @ 120.2
Corrected std. 11.45 @ 122.8

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: BSB67] #2868660
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Why race it in D?


It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose…
as long as you look good doing it!

‘65 A100
‘69 ‘Cuda
‘73 Vega GT
‘06 Mega Cab
‘14 Mercedes SLK
Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: feets] #2868886
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'70 road runner, 528 Hemi, 727 with a tight motorhome converter, 3.23 suregrip. Stock intake, stock carbs, TTI headers.

10:1 compression with stock iron heads & an itty-bitty solid flat tappet cam.

Its tame & I wouldn't change a thing.

12's in the quarter on the reproduction F60-15's and 13 mpg no problem.

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: feets] #2868905
01/04/21 03:43 PM
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I'm really glad I made the effort to fire it up back in April just to hear it run, because now I'm working on some long overdue changes
to the rest of the car (metal work),and it will be awhile before I can get the 572 (aka Project Big Dumb Hemi) between the rails and make everything fit/work.

The car no longer looks like this. Been at it for awhile, have lots of pictures and stuff blah

Anyway judging from idle quality and throttle response, it seems it should be a fairly tame street engine.
Cam and compression are both less than the existing 451 low deck, because I am getting old, same as everyone here, and I was never a super serious racer anyway.

[Linked Image]

I am also in the planning stages of an equally, if not more stupid large cubic inch wedge, and some other stuff.


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Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: ZIPPY] #2868917
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
I'm really glad I made the effort to fire it up back in April just to hear it run, because now I'm working on some long overdue changes
to the rest of the car (metal work),and it will be awhile before I can get the 572 (aka Project Big Dumb Hemi) between the rails and make everything fit/work.

The car no longer looks like this. Been at it for awhile, have lots of pictures and stuff blah

Anyway judging from idle quality and throttle response, it seems it should be a fairly tame street engine.
Cam and compression are both less than the existing 451 low deck, because I am getting old, same as everyone here, and I was never a super serious racer anyway.

[Linked Image]

I am also in the planning stages of an equally, if not more stupid large cubic inch wedge, and some other stuff.



Boy does that look sweet !! up Ron

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: feets] #2868943
01/04/21 05:01 PM
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And Feets, my cam's 0.050" durations numbers are very close to yours, when you look at it at the valve (i.e. adjusting for lash).

If you're comitted to the hydraulic roller, and what you are looking for in that car, I think your plan is pretty solid. You can split hairs with a few degrees duration, and the LSA, but until you try a couple of different cams, you'll never know for sure, IMO.

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: BSB67] #2870594
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Originally Posted by BSB67


http://508charger.yolasite.com/


440 - 508 cuin
MP/Eddy aluminum heads CNC ported std port window
10.8:1 CR
<250° @ 0.050” w/ 0.600” ish lift – solid roller
200#/500# ish Isky springs
Pro Magnum rockers (1.5)
440-2D intake
Small venture (1.375”) “950” hp style carb
Factory exhaust manifolds. Window opened.
2 ½” exhaust system with tailpipes
Ultra Flow mufflers


4150# race weight
P255 MT ET street radial
3.23
727 w/ TG2 auto shift
Stock converter – 1900 stall
Race it in “D”
1.90 ish 60 ft times
Good Air – DA 2000 ish - 11.70 @ 119 ish
Best – 11.68 @ 120.2
Corrected std. 11.45 @ 122.8


Man I love that Charger. Sweet! boogie

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: bobby66] #2871142
01/08/21 02:43 PM
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You guys running the big Wedges (not the Hemis), are you using OE blocks? Are you using Chevy rods?


68 Valiant 408
69 Charger 318
69 Cougar 351W
70 Torino GT 351C
71 Country Squire 351W
71 Road Runner 440+6
71 Satellite sedan 318
73 Duster 318
73 Challenger 383
77 Grand Prix 455
83 Malibu 9C1 383
84 Delta 88 403
87 Grand National
96 Ram 360
09 Crown Vic
10 Challenger R/T M6
15 Challenger Hellcat M6
Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: RangerDan440] #2871154
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Originally Posted by McLovin
You guys running the big Wedges (not the Hemis), are you using OE blocks? Are you using Chevy rods?


Yes, 7.1" long with the 2.20 rod journal.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: 383man] #2871163
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Thank you sir, trying to step up my game a little.


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Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: BloFish] #2871168
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Originally Posted by BloFish
Why race it in D?


I'm going to take a guess:
More than likely the upshift governor is set up exactly where he wants it, and no manual shifting is required(?)

(Could be wrong...that's based on how beautiful and dialed in the whole rest of the rig is).


Rich H.

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Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: ZIPPY] #2871325
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by BloFish
Why race it in D?


I'm going to take a guess:
More than likely the upshift governor is set up exactly where he wants it, and no manual shifting is required(?)

(Could be wrong...that's based on how beautiful and dialed in the whole rest of the rig is).


Thanks. And yes. And I think it shifts better than manually shifting a full auto valvebody. Although it seems like the shift rpm creeps up a little when the fluid gets hotter.

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: bobby66] #2871328
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Originally Posted by bobby66


Man I love that Charger. Sweet! boogie


Thanks!

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: feets] #2871451
01/09/21 01:42 AM
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I have a 512 in my Duster. It is a fairly mild 600/600 type of build with a hyd roller cam and pump gas compression. I'm not sure on the mileage. It calculates out to about 12 mpg on the freeway but I rarely drive it far enough on the freeway to notice the mileage. I might drive it 10 miles to the track and then destroy the mileage by racing it then drive a few miles home. The car isn't quite comfortable enough to cruise cross country. Street manners are pretty good. The trick is to keep the cam small and to use a good converter. A little bit of gear out back helps if the cam gets too big but then you're starting to lose the whole streetable battle. If you aim to drive it on the street then keep the compression down around 10:1 or less and the cam on the small side. No reason to get greedy when you have 500 cubes.

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Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: 71TA] #2871755
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That is a sweet looking ride!

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: DFlanagan] #2871893
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This has over 7,000 miles on it and hundreds of dragstrip passes following the formula Andy listed above.

I'd say it has been trouble free but it has managed to break every driveline component in it! It is basically the driveline out of a 1 ton Dodge now save for the full floating rear axles. People often build big strokers and neglect the rest of the driveline. The stock stuff will not survive!

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'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: GY3] #2871960
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Stroked 440 in an A12
Passon 5 speed
650+ hp on dyno
Trik flow 240 , will run on 87 10:1 but i use 90 non eth
with a touch of race fuel , just because I can . And it smells right .
Drove about 800 miles this year ,
Would have been more if I didnt trade my
rarely driven hemi for a Hellcat .

And ol lady getting older cant deal with
the occasional stink from the 50 yo car, lol.

Bee kills vettes and sometimes Hellcats
depends who can hook , lol .
No traction control on Bee ..

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Re: How many of you run 500" or bigger street engines? [Re: GY3] #2872020
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Originally Posted by GY3
This has over 7,000 miles on it and hundreds of dragstrip passes following the formula Andy listed above.

I'd say it has been trouble free but it has managed to break every driveline component in it! It is basically the driveline out of a 1 ton Dodge now save for the full floating rear axles. People often build big strokers and neglect the rest of the driveline. The stock stuff will not survive!

GY3 that car is impressive. I read most of your posts. I have a 511 sb built going into an A body basically the same build as you. 10.3/1, Indy EZ heads. 3 choices of intakes. 8 in ATI convertor. 3.91 in an 8-3/4 which have to replaced. You and Andy F may have sold me on a hydraulic roller.


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Originally Posted by carnut68
Originally Posted by GY3
This has over 7,000 miles on it and hundreds of dragstrip passes following the formula Andy listed above.

I'd say it has been trouble free but it has managed to break every driveline component in it! It is basically the driveline out of a 1 ton Dodge now save for the full floating rear axles. People often build big strokers and neglect the rest of the driveline. The stock stuff will not survive!

GY3 that car is impressive. I read most of your posts. I have a 511 sb built going into an A body basically the same build as you. 10.3/1, Indy EZ heads. 3 choices of intakes. 8 in ATI convertor. 3.91 in an 8-3/4 which have to replaced. You and Andy F may have sold me on a hydraulic roller.


Thanks!

Gonna try and squeeze it into the 9's this Spring. panic


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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