Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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The pedal commander doesn't do anything your right foot doesn't do, it just changes the voltage to make the throttle open faster. Waste of money in my opinion.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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The hesitation on my 15 SRT is very irritating, thought about one of those myself. To move away from a light you push a little then a little more then bam, the spin a tire type situation.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Do these newish ones still have Adaptive Learning that adjusts to how you drive?
My 05 300C has it and you have to occasionally reset it to get it to quit that. You pull the ECM fuse and wait for the memory to die and then plug it back in. That resets it to factory and then you drive it like you stole it so it can "relearn" your style.
I can't remember if you have to recalibrate the pedal at the same time or not. That's an easy procedure too as I recall but I'm not sure of the exact steps. Seems you turn on the key, press it slowly to the floor and slowly release it, then turn the key off. In any case you can find it on the LX forums.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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There's no such thing as a pedal relearn. One of those rumors that's persisted even after being debunked. If you want your transmission to shift differently, you can put a Tranzformer in it. I have one in my Magnum R/T and it's the best thing I've done to it! Gives you all sorts of extras as well!
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
[Re: Twostick]
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Do these newish ones still have Adaptive Learning that adjusts to how you drive?
My 05 300C has it and you have to occasionally reset it to get it to quit that. You pull the ECM fuse and wait for the memory to die and then plug it back in. That resets it to factory and then you drive it like you stole it so it can "relearn" your style.
I can't remember if you have to recalibrate the pedal at the same time or not. That's an easy procedure too as I recall but I'm not sure of the exact steps. Seems you turn on the key, press it slowly to the floor and slowly release it, then turn the key off. In any case you can find it on the LX forums.
Kevin Yep. All late model vehicles have adaptive strategy to "learn" your diving style. Drive it like granny, it'll learn that and store stuff such as idle speed, upshift/downshift points,etc on KAM(keep alive memory) which can be erased with a power disconnect(fuse,batt cable,etc)While not the same as a "tune" a KAM reset can be helpful with certain issues. Be aware that batt disconnects can cause other issues such as relearn procedures for other various systems.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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There's no such thing as a pedal relearn. One of those rumors that's persisted even after being debunked. If you want your transmission to shift differently, you can put a Tranzformer in it. I have one in my Magnum R/T and it's the best thing I've done to it! Gives you all sorts of extras as well! Just looked it up again. Apparently it's a 24V Cummins Diesel only procedure but it got turned into an urban legend of sorts for all 5.7's. I had to do it once on my 99 CTD shortly after I bought it. I had changed the lift pump and fuel filter and after priming everything up, it started and went straight WFO. Shut it off and after the adrenaline calmed down, I tried it again and it went WFO again but it stopped at 2800 RPM. Did that pedal procedure and it fired up and idled correctly. Never did it again and never figured out why it did it. Kevin
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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The hesitation on my 15 SRT is very irritating, thought about one of those myself. To move away from a light you push a little then a little more then bam, the spin a tire type situation. My 14 5.7 is the same, I hate the delay.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Yep. All late model vehicles have adaptive strategy to "learn" your diving style. Drive it like granny, it'll learn that and store stuff such as idle speed, upshift/downshift points,etc on KAM(keep alive memory) which can be erased with a power disconnect(fuse,batt cable,etc)While not the same as a "tune" a KAM reset can be helpful with certain issues. Be aware that batt disconnects can cause other issues such as relearn procedures for other various systems. I hate the "adaptive" philosophy. It may work with one driver on flat terrain but when you have multiple drivers in hilly terrain, as an example, the transmission shift points and firmness are always chasing their tail. As for the rest, don't get me going on that. The biggest fault I have with it all is that it's predicated on what's in the rear view mirror, not what's in the windshield. With a 727 it did what it did and as the driver you compensated as required. Now, the drivers apparently are too stupid to do that. One more rant, I firmly believe that with cars with collision avoidance, self steering capabilities, adaptive technology, etc. that a generation of incompetent drivers is being raised that have no driving skills and can't think for themselves.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Pedal Commander is a very cool item, it really changes the character of the vehicle you install it on. Normally, the factory settings controls the throttle opening rate no matter how quickly the pedal is pushed. When the PCs are dialed up, the responsiveness of the vehicle is amazing. YOU actually have control over how much and how quick the throttle is opened. And depending on the particular unit chosen, most have many settings available, including slowing the response of the throttle. In certain hands and in certain weather, that can be a real benefit, too. A while back, I installed one for a friend who has a '14 5.7 Charger. When turned up, the car felt like we had went from 2.76 gears to 3.91s. Or from a 318 to a 360. It was a tire fryer deluxe. I can't say that the car was any faster, but it really felt much, much faster. Like a different car entirely. And while I have installed several, I have never had one to the drag strip to compare actual performance difference. As peppy as the PCs make the car feel, they may just have some additional performance benefits, too. The only down side in my opinion, is the cost. If they were more modestly priced, I would have one on every vehicle I own. They are a lot of fun. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFI4-L--rAkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4eCB0CIJUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpgY5Ly1ZQ
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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I have a 2020 1320, I thought about adding a peddle command to it. did some research and found it would be a total waste of money once you hit the 500 mile computer unlock. mine is very responsive off the t-brake as it is from a dead dig peddle stomp. I am a little disappointed with how the T-Brake works but i guess you do it enough it becomes second nature.
I do love my 1320!!!
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Pedal Commander is a very cool item, it really changes the character of the vehicle you install it on. Normally, the factory settings controls the throttle opening rate no matter how quickly the pedal is pushed. When the PCs are dialed up, the responsiveness of the vehicle is amazing. YOU actually have control over how much and how quick the throttle is opened. And depending on the particular unit chosen, most have many settings available, including slowing the response of the throttle. In certain hands and in certain weather, that can be a real benefit, too. A while back, I installed one for a friend who has a '14 5.7 Charger. When turned up, the car felt like we had went from 2.76 gears to 3.91s. Or from a 318 to a 360. It was a tire fryer deluxe. I can't say that the car was any faster, but it really felt much, much faster. Like a different car entirely. And while I have installed several, I have never had one to the drag strip to compare actual performance difference. As peppy as the PCs make the car feel, they may just have some additional performance benefits, too. The only down side in my opinion, is the cost. If they were more modestly priced, I would have one on every vehicle I own. They are a lot of fun. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFI4-L--rAkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4eCB0CIJUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpgY5Ly1ZQ I want my foot to control what the engine does not a computer. How much are these boxes?
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Pedal Commander is a very cool item, it really changes the character of the vehicle you install it on. Normally, the factory settings controls the throttle opening rate no matter how quickly the pedal is pushed. When the PCs are dialed up, the responsiveness of the vehicle is amazing. YOU actually have control over how much and how quick the throttle is opened. And depending on the particular unit chosen, most have many settings available, including slowing the response of the throttle. In certain hands and in certain weather, that can be a real benefit, too. A while back, I installed one for a friend who has a '14 5.7 Charger. When turned up, the car felt like we had went from 2.76 gears to 3.91s. Or from a 318 to a 360. It was a tire fryer deluxe. I can't say that the car was any faster, but it really felt much, much faster. Like a different car entirely. And while I have installed several, I have never had one to the drag strip to compare actual performance difference. As peppy as the PCs make the car feel, they may just have some additional performance benefits, too. The only down side in my opinion, is the cost. If they were more modestly priced, I would have one on every vehicle I own. They are a lot of fun. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFI4-L--rAkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4eCB0CIJUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpgY5Ly1ZQ The PC does not make the car any faster. All it does is increase the throttle voltage, but it can't make the throttle open any further than 100%. It only causes the voltage to get there faster. Your foot does the same thing, you just have to push the pedal down harder/further. As I stated above, it's a waste of money.
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1968 Dodge Dart GTS "The Drat" - 340/727
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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OK then, many different responses just like you get all over the internet. I still won't buy one because of the cost, if is was under $100 I would, but with nobody having the same opinion of them I don't want to spend the $300...
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Yep. All late model vehicles have adaptive strategy to "learn" your diving style. Drive it like granny, it'll learn that and store stuff such as idle speed, upshift/downshift points,etc on KAM(keep alive memory) which can be erased with a power disconnect(fuse,batt cable,etc)While not the same as a "tune" a KAM reset can be helpful with certain issues. Be aware that batt disconnects can cause other issues such as relearn procedures for other various systems. I hate the "adaptive" philosophy. It may work with one driver on flat terrain but when you have multiple drivers in hilly terrain, as an example, the transmission shift points and firmness are always chasing their tail. As for the rest, don't get me going on that. The biggest fault I have with it all is that it's predicated on what's in the rear view mirror, not what's in the windshield. Ya that's where the tune helps. On my truck with the stock tune the shifts are soft and soon with lockup in 3rd gear...it always wants to get to high gear as fast as possible regardless of vehicle speed. The tune moves lockup to 4th gear(HUGE improvement) and doesn't allow high gear until 50+ mph...zero hunting for gears. With the increased throttle response from other tweaks he made it's a completely different truck no matter who drives it.
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Re: Anyone use a pedal commander?
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Full throttle is not the problem, feathering off idle is. Push the pedal and NOTHING happens, like a switch, on or off. None of the six current vehicles or any car of the last 55 years has had this problem Here's a good thread from the LX forum. pedal commanderExplains pretty well how these things "work." Especially look at the file posted toward the end, it's a research paper.
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