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Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition #2860388
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I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake

This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster

Thanks !

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860390
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If you don't have anything build a Gen III Hemi


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2860392
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
If you don't have anything build a Gen III Hemi


Nooo I have engine mapped out just no ignition. I had thought about the G3 but lost interest real quick!

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860393
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Lots of MSD 7AL3’s out there for sale and they work great. I use them in al my race cars. MSD Blaster coil, and I usually use ultra 40 plug wires. Lots of guys switching to digital or Grid systems

Ohhh MSD distributor too

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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860394
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Ahh Ok gotcha.


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2860399
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The MSD stuff seems to be the go to for most people. Depending on your budget, you could go with the 7AL-3, if there is more in your budget, the Power Grid system. I'd run a crank trigger as well.


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860419
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For my street/strip small block I run a MSD distributor and a MSD Digital 6 ignition box.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: justinp61] #2860466
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When you say "grudge" car, I assume it has a power adder?

I use an old analog 6AL with the adjustable timing control box added and a dial rev limiter hooked to a recurved stock distributor.

Thinking about upgrading to a 7AL3, though....


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Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: GY3] #2860487
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Originally Posted by GY3
When you say "grudge" car, I assume it has a power adder?

I use an old analog 6AL with the adjustable timing control box added and a dial rev limiter hooked to a recurved stock distributor.

Thinking about upgrading to a 7AL3, though....


Yes, I will be adding nitrous and this is my first experience with a transbrake and I’m trying to figure out how to make all that work.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860490
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Something like this to control you nitrous and T-brake might be a good idea.

https://leashelectronics.com/products/single-stage-nitrous-board

I don't run any MSD stuff anymore but I would buy the baddest box you can afford. Most power adder stuff grows to more and more power and you might as well avoid buying twice.


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2860511
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Go as crazy as you want to go, it’s only money

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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2860521
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
Something like this to control you nitrous and T-brake might be a good idea.

https://leashelectronics.com/products/single-stage-nitrous-board

I don't run any MSD stuff anymore but I would buy the baddest box you can afford. Most power adder stuff grows to more and more power and you might as well avoid buying twice.


I’m finding out adding the transbrake is whole new multifaceted element. A lot different from foot braking with throttle activated nitrous micro switch.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: pittsburghracer] #2860522
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer

Go as crazy as you want to go, it’s only money


That’s something serious right there !

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2860535
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
I would buy the baddest box you can afford. Most power adder stuff grows to more and more power and you might as well avoid buying twice.
iagree
Don't buy any of the combination street and strip MSD boxes for your deal, buy race only up twocents
Once you get bit by the power bug you will find out there is never to much power, just like never having to much money, sex, traction HP and on and on whistling devil
Another thing to remember is on the spark plug gap, you may need to close it up some as the power level increases and the coil wire and spark plug wires won't live as long either due to the ignition making more energy to make the spark jump across the plug gaps on power adder motors shruggy
Speed cost money, how fast do YOU want to GO whistling grin


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860618
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Big power w/ nitrous...get the MSD grid system if you can afford it. If you need a little more of a budget friendly option, get the MSD 6AL-2 programmable (6530). That's what I did.
For distributors I like the MSD pro billets, locked out, and use a crank trigger.

I also strongly recommend the Leash nitrous controller and their wiring board. Great working simple setup.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2860622
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That one little box on the left replaced the 3 boxes on the right.

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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2860635
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
Something like this to control you nitrous and T-brake might be a good idea.

https://leashelectronics.com/products/single-stage-nitrous-board

I don't run any MSD stuff anymore but I would buy the baddest box you can afford. Most power adder stuff grows to more and more power and you might as well avoid buying twice.


I use the Leash single stage board and it works great! It made wiring up the nitrous system super simple.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2860637
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Big power w/ nitrous...get the MSD grid system if you can afford it. If you need a little more of a budget friendly option, get the MSD 6AL-2 programmable (6530). That's what I did.
For distributors I like the MSD pro billets, locked out, and use a crank trigger.

I also strongly recommend the Leash nitrous controller and their wiring board. Great working simple setup.


The part number is helpful ! After doing some reading I though the MSD 6AL-2 64213 would have been fine but I think the 6530 is a better choice

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Cab_Burge] #2860640
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by Bad340fish
I would buy the baddest box you can afford. Most power adder stuff grows to more and more power and you might as well avoid buying twice.
iagree
Don't buy any of the combination street and strip MSD boxes for your deal, buy race only up twocents
Once you get bit by the power bug you will find out there is never to much power, just like never having to much money, sex, traction HP and on and on whistling devil
Another thing to remember is on the spark plug gap, you may need to close it up some as the power level increases and the coil wire and spark plug wires won't live as long either due to the ignition making more energy to make the spark jump across the plug gaps on power adder motors shruggy
Speed cost money, how fast do YOU want to GO whistling grin


I agree but I'm aiming to strike a balance between what I think I need and what I will actually use. Like I would like to think I will stack a two stage kit on this thing and let it rock but the reality is I may never shoot more than a single 200 to it

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860669
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Most are spraying one big kit and using a progressive to control it. Less complicated than multiple systems.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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