Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: 3hundred] #2851013
11/24/20 05:42 PM
11/24/20 05:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 4,974
new jersey usa
1
11secdart Offline
master
11secdart  Offline
master
1

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 4,974
new jersey usa
deleted

Last edited by 11secdart; 11/25/20 05:18 PM.

68 Dart 410 / 904
92 D150 original owner
21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4
23 Audi Q5
16 Honda HRV
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: 11secdart] #2851237
11/25/20 05:05 AM
11/25/20 05:05 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 295
Vallejo, CA
D
ditchdrift Offline OP
enthusiast
ditchdrift  Offline OP
enthusiast
D

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 295
Vallejo, CA
I put a timing light on it to see what the computer is commanding for timing. At idle it's roughly 12 btdc and at 3000 it's 22 btdc... Wow. No wonder it's such a pooch. Because I don't want to spend 300-400 on a programmer I pulled the crank sensor and slotted the mounting holes and moved the sensor over until it hit the bell housing opening. Now I have 15 at idle and 25 at 3000. When driving it feels like I picked up 20% more torque, the exhaust note is significantly louder as well. It doesn't seem to strain as much going up inclines as well. It really really really wants even more timing. From my experience with other small blocks, it probably would like 20 ish at idle and 36-38 total. I bet it would feel like a completely different truck if I can figure it how to do that.

Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: ditchdrift] #2851325
11/25/20 11:45 AM
11/25/20 11:45 AM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Grizzly Offline
Moparts Proctologist
Grizzly  Offline
Moparts Proctologist

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
You're welcome, glad that mod that I posted worked.


Mo' Farts

Moderated by "tbagger".
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Grizzly] #2851336
11/25/20 12:19 PM
11/25/20 12:19 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 295
Vallejo, CA
D
ditchdrift Offline OP
enthusiast
ditchdrift  Offline OP
enthusiast
D

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 295
Vallejo, CA
Originally Posted by Grizzly
You're welcome, glad that mod that I posted worked.


Thanks. Credit given where it's due up

Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: ditchdrift] #2851401
11/25/20 02:18 PM
11/25/20 02:18 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,675
Mt. Eden Ky.
Hemi Allstate Offline
master
Hemi Allstate  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,675
Mt. Eden Ky.
This post is spot on for me. I have two reg. cab short bed Ram 1500 trucks. A 96 Sport I got new, has the 5.9 . I have always been satisfied with the power it has. It now has 319,000. miles on it . I found a very clean 2001 with the 5.2 a couple years ago and bought it for it's excellent condition . I expected the 5.2 to have less bottom end power, but maybe better fuel mileage. Well, it is really poor in both respects. The 5.9 has a lot more power and gets the same or better fuel mileage with 200,000 additional miles. I did have to have the intake pulled and resealed many years ago on the 5.9. And recently replaced the original plug wires ! LOL
I am not willing to buy 93 octane fuel for it, but I may give this advance mod a try if I can get to it. The dist.cap rotor and plug wires was a real challenge for me to reach . The 96 has a one cat. system. I have to look at the 2001 and see. I was beginning to think The 2001 had a bad cat. that is causing the power loss. It seems I have to really put my foot in it, to get the truck to move out in the same manor the 96 does effortlessly.


Mark

The Pair of Dodge trucks.jpg

http://marsh-racing.com/Mark%20Mahorney-Allstate.htm
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #2851507
11/25/20 06:37 PM
11/25/20 06:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Grizzly Offline
Moparts Proctologist
Grizzly  Offline
Moparts Proctologist

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Nice house. up

Nice yard. up

Nice driveway. up

Nice '96. up

But that '01 is a PEACH! bow Even has the smooth, no-slider back window if my eyes are right.



Mo' Farts

Moderated by "tbagger".
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Grizzly] #2851630
11/25/20 11:22 PM
11/25/20 11:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,675
Mt. Eden Ky.
Hemi Allstate Offline
master
Hemi Allstate  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,675
Mt. Eden Ky.
Thanks Grizzly ! up
Yes the 01 does have a no slider back window. It was a special order truck and has the towing package and a LSD rear end . It has the original owners name on the window sticker. It was garage kept and only used to pull the man's fishing boat. I really love the truck , just wish it had a little more power. The 96 has rust issues but runs great and I still drive it the most. It was a lease and I bought it at the end of the lease. I really like this body style and wanted another one to replace the 96. The frame is rusting on the 96 and I can no longer mount a rear bumper or the tow hitch due to rust in that area, so I put a rear " pan" on it.

Mark

DSCN2870.JPG

http://marsh-racing.com/Mark%20Mahorney-Allstate.htm
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #2851752
11/26/20 11:12 AM
11/26/20 11:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,162
USA
3
360view Offline
Moparts resident spammer
360view  Offline
Moparts resident spammer
3

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,162
USA
You might look for a used Mopar Performance OBD-II PCM for years 1996+

The old magazine ads claimed 20+ torque gain.

I can remember reading posts back in the 1990s where Magnum 5.2 owners tried out MP PCM’s for 5.9 engines and reported that they ran without hiccups, but I do not remember anyone commenting on fuel economy changes.

These companies that repair Magnum PCMs ought to be able to flash the data tables for the MP CM onto an standard OEM unit.

I have a 1998 to 2003 Superchips Micro Max tuner for Ram pickups that I bought at a yard sale for $25
but it says “VIN Locked” when it powers up.
This Superchips unit seems to be able to read and erase DTC codes for any Chrysler OBD-II vehicle.

IMG_20201126_102146.jpg
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: 360view] #2851986
11/26/20 09:04 PM
11/26/20 09:04 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,675
Mt. Eden Ky.
Hemi Allstate Offline
master
Hemi Allstate  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,675
Mt. Eden Ky.
Thanks for the info 360view. I will look into this approach and see what I can find.
It's worth a try.


Mark


http://marsh-racing.com/Mark%20Mahorney-Allstate.htm
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #2861246
12/17/20 12:09 PM
12/17/20 12:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,788
Hamilton, Ontario Canada
Magnum Offline
master
Magnum  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,788
Hamilton, Ontario Canada
The main thing lacking in all these posts and replies is what is underpowered, what rips, what is slow. There needs to be a number. If you are coming from an 80's LA318 and 5.2 Magnum will be faster. Compared to a 5.7 Hemi, yes it will feel slow.

I can only contribute my numbers and you compare and make a decision. 1995 Ram Sport 5.2L, 5 spd, reg cab, short box 3.5 rear Low 16 second truck. The ET was a product of a launch with the manual trans. I actually ran a 15.9 holding the rpm at 4000 before engaging the clutch but the important number here is 84 mph. Is your faster or slower than that?

Some catalytic converter replies. Yes a they hold these back. I was door to door with a friends 1st gen Neon. When my converter was blown out. I was walking him. After replacing it under warranty I was back to door to door.

I do feel the automatics behind the 5.2's really dragged these trucks power down.


69 Super Bee, 93 Mustang LX, 04 Allure Super
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Magnum] #2861693
12/18/20 12:23 PM
12/18/20 12:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo Offline
Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
Originally Posted by Magnum
The main thing lacking in all these posts and replies is what is underpowered, what rips, what is slow. There needs to be a number. If you are coming from an 80's LA318 and 5.2 Magnum will be faster. Compared to a 5.7 Hemi, yes it will feel slow.

I can only contribute my numbers and you compare and make a decision. 1995 Ram Sport 5.2L, 5 spd, reg cab, short box 3.5 rear Low 16 second truck. The ET was a product of a launch with the manual trans. I actually ran a 15.9 holding the rpm at 4000 before engaging the clutch but the important number here is 84 mph. Is your faster or slower than that?

Some catalytic converter replies. Yes a they hold these back. I was door to door with a friends 1st gen Neon. When my converter was blown out. I was walking him. After replacing it under warranty I was back to door to door.

I do feel the automatics behind the 5.2's really dragged these trucks power down.


Depends on what it's in too. I yanked a 5.2 out of a 99 dakota, dropped it into my stripped 80's jeep wrangler and used a 94 wiring harness/ecu. With a stick shift in a 3000lb rig instead of a 5000lb pig, that 5.2 rips!

Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #2864021
12/23/20 07:28 PM
12/23/20 07:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
C
cudaman1969 Offline
master
cudaman1969  Offline
master
C

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
My 01 van has the 5.9, were all given the ‘death’ tune? It seams peppy but only 14-15 mpg. I installed the super chip on my 06 ram diesel 3500 4x4 when new and it flies but it’s too radical so it’s back on ‘tow’ mode, 19.5 mpg. Maybe a SC for the van is in the future or re programmed module.

Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: cudaman1969] #2867415
01/01/21 11:36 AM
01/01/21 11:36 AM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 178
Tidewater, VA
T
TMCCuda Offline
member
TMCCuda  Offline
member
T

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 178
Tidewater, VA
I had a 94 1500 4x4 Regular Cab Long bed with 5.2 automatic and 3:55 gears. It wouldn't spin a tire, whether power braking or not and was not quick at all. I tried to wake it up, with a Gibson exhaust, MSD 6AL ignition box, K & N air cleaner, the Mopar Performance roller rockers, and a Hypertech module. While I could notice small differences with the mods, they really didn't amount to a hill of beans. It got 15 mpg no matter wha,t unless on I95 in the flat area of North Carolina it would eek out 17. It was OBD 1, so no death flash, but the plenum pan did blow out around 90000 miles and it pinged badly. I fixed that, but the combustion chambers stayed dirty and it pinged afterward, which was worse with the Hypertech module. I remember being at a cars show and autocross on an airfield after having done the mods and we were allowed to play on the airfield and I couldn't get a tire to spin, quite embarrassing.
It, however, was very reliable. I could tow what I needed (slowly) without running hot and the four wheel drive worked great. Only time I had to get towed was when the cat converter had broken itself up and clogged at around 260000 miles. It wouldn't make 45 on the interstate. Later in its life, I got a boat and wanted more towing grunt, so I swapped in a 5.9L Magnum with larger valves, ported heads, and a Hughes Cam. I put a Powertrax locker on it, and it would burn tires all you wanted. The power band was from 3000-5300rpm. I really think it needed the Hughes FI airgap to really pull up top. But then I ended up with a 2004 Quad Cab 5.7 Hemi. The 5.2 was good for a simple truck motor, the 5.9 better, but I love my Hemis.


1970 Plymouth Barracuda 1994 Ram 1500 4x4 5.2L 2004 Ram 1500 4x4 5.7L Quad Cab
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: TMCCuda] #2868239
01/02/21 08:59 PM
01/02/21 08:59 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Grizzly Offline
Moparts Proctologist
Grizzly  Offline
Moparts Proctologist

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Don't feel bad about your '94: I had a brand new 2006 Blunder Motors reg cab long box 4x4 with the MIGHTY 5.3 (285 hp, yeah, sure rolleyes) and that Turd wouldn't break traction on dry pavement either.

Best day of my life when I traded that Gutless Wonder for my '07 Hemi. punkrocka

Picture015.jpg

Mo' Farts

Moderated by "tbagger".
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: TMCCuda] #2868293
01/02/21 10:44 PM
01/02/21 10:44 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 13,185
aZLiViN
J
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here
J_BODY  Offline
I Live Here
J

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 13,185
aZLiViN
YES! they are underpowered

Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Grizzly] #2870222
01/07/21 02:21 AM
01/07/21 02:21 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog Offline
Striving for excellence
Kern Dog  Offline
Striving for excellence

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
That red '07 Ram is a great looking rig, Grizzly.

Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Kern Dog] #2870223
01/07/21 02:23 AM
01/07/21 02:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog Offline
Striving for excellence
Kern Dog  Offline
Striving for excellence

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
I had a 2006 that was great aside from the brakes. I got hit at 33,000 miles and it was totaled.

06.JPGIMG_1893.JPG
Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered? [Re: Kern Dog] #2870746
01/07/21 10:14 PM
01/07/21 10:14 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Grizzly Offline
Moparts Proctologist
Grizzly  Offline
Moparts Proctologist

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,998
Salem
Thanks, Frankenduster!

Geez, how did they dent the roof on your '06? confused

Glad your '07 is worked out well for you. If it ever dies, you can buy mine to replace it. up


Mo' Farts

Moderated by "tbagger".
Page 2 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1