Josh King, his Duster is ALL STEEL, bumpers hood etc...all steel. 3480lbs and he has been 4.70's ...... AFTER a 30 mile cruise ! ! (yes on a 315 radial but still thats a fast street car)

I have been looking to upgrade my Cuda with a Hellcrate & some upgrades to bring it into the new millenuim.....but nobody has ponied up to buy the big Hemi in it yet, so I added a Sniper Stealth 4500 efi and Prodash....Man its a nice upgrade in drive-ability and monitoring eveything.... Been seeing how fast those 6.2's are and how reliable and I got to have one. Had the 605 advertised for a while....no takers, so, we go with what we got.

This was stock suspension as well. No backhalf, no ladder bars, etc. Daily driver class. Limited to 275/60/15 tire.

And it's nicely built..........This is a Good topic here always like to hear other people option on this.

If you subtract the amount of guys that will never run a power adder you come up with what we’ll over 50%. Then start dividing it up by turbo builds, nitrous, blowers, etc how many do you have left for each power adder. Builds like josh’s cost way to much for 90% of us. Hell his transmission cost would put most guys out for the year. Then he had this guy build the engine and this guy putting the tune on it. Then add how much help he had at the track and you will see where I’m going with this. Now if you are happy with a high 9 second car or slower throw a Kung fu turbo on it and send it down the road.

^^^^^ AND there you go....Typical Mopar Enthusiast response ! ! !
Dont you have a heads up nitrous car??? Sitting????
Josh did whats necessary to run at that level....AND ????? Most Mopar guys wont commit to that. Thats why they all slow bracket cars ! .....FLAME AWAY !!!! LMAO


AND lets go there.....my current trans (Rossler) is 16 yes 16 years old. It cost me 3800.00 so thats......a whopping 237.00 a year . My new trans?? well lets just say its a lot more$$$ but i figure this will be the last one i need, and the gear ratios are what i need to keep up with everyone else. AND hey 4.90s with not as much "help" as Josh, i guess im doing "OK" .....LMAO ! ! !

Just making a point, just like you reconfirmed. And most wont spend that type of money. I like racing a lot and I mean often. Heads up racing died in my area because you can’t pay big money when 9 cars show up to race. Josh has gone through this at monster Mopar almost every year. Now back to turbos. Kids can buy a new turbo car with a warranty and go pretty fast. So start dividing the kids that like new cars over what many refers to “old junk” and you lost half the crowd. many of these kids today get their fingernails manicured and don’t want getting them dirty. Lol 😂

Monster Mopar 2019 was the biggest field Josh had so far, and it had a lot of BOOSTED cars !!!
IF there is a Monster Mopar in 2021, there will be a lot of 4 sec cars im pretty sure, and a lot will be boosted and FI....lots of laptops. LOL
Thats what it takes.....there is no "budget" heads up or let me rephrase that....there is no "budget" boosted cars. Well unless you think of a junkyard hemi with holley EFI and an Ebay type turbo set up. Thats budget and within a lot more Mopar Guys wheelhouse than they think. Just most Mopar Guys have their head in the sand...LMAO. Its the old purple shaft/727/dana60 mentality.....you have to look at the current trends and if you want to go fast, you have to DO IT. Yes kids are out there and they are tech savvy and can make some crazy stuff happen, they arent afraid to break stuff and they push some stock stuff to way beyond its accepted capabilities. There is a New Gen 3 hemi crowd out there....they just dont come on here because most of us are old enough to be their fathers or even grandfathers....ROTFLMAO ! ! ! !

I am going to agree with Tony here if we are speaking generally.

I have seen quite a few LS conversions in Valiants because they are cheaper as well, I'm in Australia FYI.

As has already been mentioned, many folks are old school, hence why the uptake to Gen III has been a little slow.

I've never really looked in to boost myself, but I kind of think if you're not making 2000 hp, is it really worth it, haha.

Jokes aside, If someone wants decent power and it to have good street manners, it makes sense really. Some of the Supercharger Store kits are pretty much bolt on.

I have enough trouble keeping my slow junk running without boost.......

My boost goals would be fast enough to at least have fun in 8.5 outlaw.... so basically I’d test most the year to make my one trek to Vegas for Street Car Supernationals every November.

The out-of-pocket costs to improve the internals of a NA engine for turbo use are lower than those required to achieve a similar power level, in large part, due to the fact that very high RPM is not required, nor is big CFM, $2,500 rockers, fabricated intake manifold, stepped headers, etc. An excellent 1,200 hp single turbo can be had for $2,000 from Precision.
Far more fabrication is required, but not necessarily highly technical - no structural engineering or flow charts needed.
However: money must be budgeted for post-construction adjustments. The difference between something that will go fast and not blow up, and something FAST is lots of dyno and track time (unless you're following a known path closely). The best combination of these factors will vary with ATM, boost psi, gearing, static CR, stall speed, spark, IC size and efficiency, and A:F. In some engines really rich mixture is the only safety net (short spark time didn't do it), and which engines is difficult to predict by design features (the ancient Studebaker V8 does very well). The 2JZ-GTE doesn't look at all special on paper (bore/stroke, port flow, rod ratio, valve sizes), but it delivers big power with tune up settings (psi, spark, A:F) that would be far less powerful, or dangerous in many other engines.
I chose the JZ in part because of my low experience with boost (Corvair and Buick GN only), and many known recipes already proven effective: I'm just following the footsteps.

I have always preferred the roots,when I was in my early teens all the really fast cars had injected, crossrammed or roots HEMI power. So that was my goal, no real overdrive on pump gas and drive to the car shows and cruise nights. Go to the track and overdrive , add octane as needed and go real fast.
I found that IAT's over 160* slowed me down and was a wall that had to be dealt with. Lowering the intake temps should work wonders! Can't just add intercoolers and ICE!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wDmNa4g9I

There is a New Gen 3 hemi crowd out there....they just dont come on here because most of us are old enough to be their fathers or even grandfathers....ROTFLMAO ! ! ! !
This statement is sad........but true.

i was at a race yesterday thats a daily driver and called real street so out of 12 cars that showed 11 were ls and my satellite.9 were turbo 3 nitrous. but talking to some of them they can get most of the parts for dam near nothing stainless e bay headers and most of the parts bolt on from ebay and couple hundred dollar motors they throw rods and pistons in and dog till it blows and hit the junk yard for another couple hundred dollar block.yeah there were a few high dollar ones. the parts for chevy ls are every where.

IF you can LS.... then you can Gen3 it !!!!

Mopar is in a state of change right now, IF you look you see old school brand X guys embrace the new technology and apply it to their old school combos to go real fast......I have a BB Mopar, but it has Coil on Plug, a fuel injection ECU and an LS firing order.....see where im headed?? Im a mopar die hard and ill take that new tech all day long.

There's a difference between being cash limited and cheap. That being said 800hp tyrbo car is cheaper to build than an 800 N/A. The skill set is different as there is some tubeing and mounting fabrication. It's really basic hot roding. I would be my sons (Diszuter) 360 turbo motor in my chassis would run with-in .10-.20 of what my 15-1 572 -1Indy motor runs. It's been together a while with less maintenance than mine.
Doug

I'd put a powerglide and a 9" in my car in a heartbeat if I had the extra money laying around to do it, but I don't have it like that.

It's the same way around here too. Cheap mustang under 3000 lb w/ a junkyard LS motor. Throw heads, cam, and a turbo on it = 5s in the 1/8 mile.

Like Tony said, there is a huge Gen 3 hemi crowd...they just aren't on moparts (for the most part).

For some reason, people don't seem to ever compare apples to apples in this situation. "I only want to build a 600hp big block, because there are no good blocks available to build a 1000hp turbo motor?"

There is a REALLY nice 500-800hp sweet spot for cost effective turbo builds. You can take mostly factory parts and with a little fab work and knowledge, build a very nice 10.0 combo (Which the masses trend towards to stay away from the roll cage, cert, NHRA license, etc...)

That being said...
People are scared to try and fabricate
People are intimidated on how to tune (Fuel vs. Timing vs. Boost)
You WILL need electronics to make a good bracket car (Trans brake, boost controller, etc...)

Mine has now been together for over 8 years and been in the 9's since August of 2014. I would say it's probably never made under 550~600hp in it's entire existance, and probably up close to 900hp when set on kill occasionally. Most the time it lives a nice happy 750hp life as I usually run it right around 9.90 or so.

Same stock 360 block, same stock 360 crank, eddy heads, .540 lift hydraulic roller, 3.55 gear.