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Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: LimeliteAero] #2844051
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IMHO...
I don't like using any additive...
Putting them into the cooling system in our old engine blocks sometimes depending upon certain chemicals
can loosen up some crud which can block the radiator runners..
Cooling our older built Mopar engines is not rocket science simply takes understanding the basics about radiators, thermostadts, fans, shrouds and engine specs like jetting and timing.

Just my $0.02... wink

Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: gtx6970] #2844170
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I've seen a bunch of stock Mopar water temp. gauges read wrong, same thing on Autometer mechanical race gauges rant
Some will read high and some will read low, check yours with known good heating and air conditioning pocket dial gauge or a good hand held Infra red temperature gun before making any other decisions on this twocents scope
One of my old race car had one of the expensive Auto Meter large face 320 degree reading race mechanical water temp gauges in it that would read 140 F when the water circulating in the radiator was cool enough for me to stick a finger in it and not fell any warmth shock
I can not let 140F water touch me without getting away from it shruggy 120F is hot to me, not warm shruggy


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Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: Sinitro] #2844174
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Wife and I took it out for a drive last nite, without doing anything to it before hand except ck coolant level, And it was approx 1" above the coolant tubes,,,, So we took off. As I wanted to try again before doing anything to it

Drive into town , Non expressway but still run approx 50 mph for almost 12-13 miles. Per the gauge car never got to half way up the gauge, Just barely under that.
Made a couple stops with maybe lasting 10-15 minutes heat soaks. Fired right back up , Gauge was nearly 3/4 the way up but cooled right back down the below half. Did this 3 times with same results.

On the way home right away it crept back up to 3/4 way up the gauge and stayed there all the way home ( again a little over 12 miles ,,,give or take )

Once home took temp gun and said temp right at thermostat hsg was about 215 or so with gauge still showing right about 3/4 ,,,maybe just under that.
Inside the rad top is spotless so I have my doubts its a radiator issue. It was recored the time the car was done.,,,,, And driven very little

So, with that ,,,, Something tells me I have a Tstat acting up

I live in an area where antifreeze is really not needed. SO,,,,,,,I am going to drain, flush it even remove the block drain plugs as well and refill with distilled water , Refill with an additive thrown in for good measure replace the thermostat with a new one. and go from there .

Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: gtx6970] #2844328
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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Wife and I took it out for a drive last nite, without doing anything to it before hand except ck coolant level, And it was approx 1" above the coolant tubes,,,, So we took off. As I wanted to try again before doing anything to it

Drive into town , Non expressway but still run approx 50 mph for almost 12-13 miles. Per the gauge car never got to half way up the gauge, Just barely under that.
Made a couple stops with maybe lasting 10-15 minutes heat soaks. Fired right back up , Gauge was nearly 3/4 the way up but cooled right back down the below half. Did this 3 times with same results.

On the way home right away it crept back up to 3/4 way up the gauge and stayed there all the way home ( again a little over 12 miles ,,,give or take )

Once home took temp gun and said temp right at thermostat hsg was about 215 or so with gauge still showing right about 3/4 ,,,maybe just under that.
Inside the rad top is spotless so I have my doubts its a radiator issue. It was recored the time the car was done.,,,,, And driven very little

So, with that ,,,, Something tells me I have a Tstat acting up

I live in an area where antifreeze is really not needed. SO,,,,,,,I am going to drain, flush it even remove the block drain plugs as well and refill with distilled water , Refill with an additive thrown in for good measure replace the thermostat with a new one. and go from there .


Sounds like a plan

You need some sort of rust preventive and lubricants.

Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: autoxcuda] #2844489
11/10/20 12:55 PM
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I picked up these 2 on my drive sunday.
Im leaning towards the Rislone brand .


The reviews were better for both these compared to water wetter that Ive read so far

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Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: gtx6970] #2844544
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That should work for you. Distilled water and one of those bottles and see how it works. Be interesting to see what you find when you pull the thermostat. Did you check to see if your thermostat seems to be working properly now? Top hose should be cool until the thermostat opens and there shouldn't be flow in the radiator. So fairly easy test to run.

Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: AndyF] #2844553
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Originally Posted by AndyF
That should work for you. Distilled water and one of those bottles and see how it works. Be interesting to see what you find when you pull the thermostat. Did you check to see if your thermostat seems to be working properly now? Top hose should be cool until the thermostat opens and there shouldn't be flow in the radiator. So fairly easy test to run.


No signs of coolant flow looking in the top of the radiator on a cold start .
Ive ordered a couple different thermostats to test out, in both temp ranges and style .

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While waiting for the thermostats to arrive, maybe remove the stock temperature sensor and submerge it in boiling water with its wiring still connected in order to see where 211 degrees is on the needle of the original dash gauge?

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That is a good test but a little hard to rig up. Need a little hot plate or camp stove out in the shop. Then place the sending unit and thermostat in the pan of hot water and double check thermostat operation as well as calibration of the sending unit and gauge.

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Originally Posted by 360view
While waiting for the thermostats to arrive, maybe remove the stock temperature sensor and submerge it in boiling water with its wiring still connected in order to see where 211 degrees is on the needle of the original dash gauge?


thanks,
i will have to try this

Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: gtx6970] #2844841
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also, to make this a lot easier to do, i make up a jumper wire a gauge or two larger than the sending unit wire, then make the jumper wire long enough to place the heating element of choice on a table along side of your fender.
it sure makes it easier than trying to rig up something in the engine compartment.
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Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: moparx] #2845286
11/12/20 12:57 PM
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Once everything gets here I will do the sender test .
I have a spring coming to put inside the lower hose , just for good measure while its apart

Until then I will keep the car driveable. Will be taking it out this evening actually to a local cruise

I did measure the pulleys and
the water pump pulley is 6-3/4" diam
the crank pulley is 5-3/4" diam

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I would bet that spring helps you fix this Bill.
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I would bet that spring helps you fix this Bill.
Ron


Thanks Ron,

I'm trying to cover ALL the bases / ideas at one time. So odds are I may never know EXACTLY what fixes it. I just want to cool it off a little bit and not have to worry about it .
I plan to drive this car A LOT ,,,,unless of course its 110 degrees out. Then it will hibernate. LOL

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If you could overdrive the water pump rather than underdrive it then you'll be better off for the way you drive the car. Hemi engines were set up for high rpm but if the car isn't going to be raced then overdriving the water pump is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
If you could overdrive the water pump rather than underdrive it then you'll be better off for the way you drive the car. Hemi engines were set up for high rpm but if the car isn't going to be raced then overdriving the water pump is a good idea.


I'll see what happens to it after my changes .
If it still runs warm will look at changing pulleys , or maybe go to a higher flow pump

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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by AndyF
If you could overdrive the water pump rather than underdrive it then you'll be better off for the way you drive the car. Hemi engines were set up for high rpm but if the car isn't going to be raced then overdriving the water pump is a good idea.


I'll see what happens to it after my changes .
If it still runs warm will look at changing pulleys , or maybe go to a higher flow pump


Its more about the fan RPM at low speeds than water flow.

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Re: Water Wetter opinions ????? [Re: gtx6970] #2846379
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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by 360view
While waiting for the thermostats to arrive, maybe remove the stock temperature sensor and submerge it in boiling water with its wiring still connected in order to see where 211 degrees is on the needle of the original dash gauge?


thanks,
i will have to try this


Can also check the new and old thermostats this way

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Originally Posted by MoonshineMattK
Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by 360view
While waiting for the thermostats to arrive, maybe remove the stock temperature sensor and submerge it in boiling water with its wiring still connected in order to see where 211 degrees is on the needle of the original dash gauge?


thanks,
i will have to try this


Can also check the new and old thermostats this way



I put my new stat in pot of water with baking thermometer and checked the real temp it opened then I installed it in the engine and left radiator cap off. Warmed up engine and watched radiator and when thermostat opened checked gauge and knew what the real temp was and where it read on the gauge.

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where did it read on both ?
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