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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 67vertman] #2771023
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Originally Posted by 67vertman
Thanks guys! I did not receive oil with mine, but that's okay.

Of all the people I know that have one including mine.... None were shipped with oil.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: ragtopdodge] #2774048
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: GY3] #2776268
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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by davesmopars
I feel that it started out at 4295.00 now 6000.00 plus. That increase of 1700.00. People have been on the list from the beginning (me included). So people that have been on the list for 4295.00 are paying 6000.00 now?


I was on the list, like you, and got my transmission in December, and yes with shipping, tax and trans, $6300. However, I was never promised a transmission at $4295.00, that was the suggested retail price at that time I placed my name on the list.

Jamie gave me the price at the time the transmission and my spot inline came up, along with the option to buy it or not.


Nice!

What a load of horse$hit!

People waiting 10 years on a list and then having to pay a $2,000.00 premium for the privilege while others get it out the back door with no waiting. SMH!

Carefull. I used to say the same thing. But all I heard was how a god he was. For building it in the first place. How it was a privalge t9 be on a list for years and and years. And was wort a wait. How only he was the only person on on earth capable of puting
one togeather. And thus the reason for the years of waiting. Heck lot of people have moved on and don't even have same car 10 years later.......but....lets all stand in line. And bow our heads for this blessing


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: toplescuda] #2776393
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Yep, it sure is a pretty looking piece,

In regards to the rhetoric going back and forth, I too was once a 100% blind supporter. And, to be transparent, I had a Keisler Tremec 5spd in my car for quite a few years. In fact, a photo of my car is still on the Silver Sport website. Anyhow, for at least 9-10 years, I was always told that I was #200 on the list. My last conversation with Jamie was at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019. I looked back on this thread for my posts about talking to him. The posts are at the top of page 73, January 6 and 17th. Jamie told me I was #12 and should see a phone call in 1-2 months. The price at the time was $5475 plus shipping. You know the story.....I'm still waiting. Newest news for me, is I have started looking at the Tremec again from Silver Sport. That trans worked perfect for me in the past, and I'm sorry I sold it to wait for the 855. Oh well, live and learn.

Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Fasbird] #2800701
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Originally Posted by Fasbird
Yep, it sure is a pretty looking piece,

In regards to the rhetoric going back and forth, I too was once a 100% blind supporter. And, to be transparent, I had a Keisler Tremec 5spd in my car for quite a few years. In fact, a photo of my car is still on the Silver Sport website. Anyhow, for at least 9-10 years, I was always told that I was #200 on the list. My last conversation with Jamie was at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019. I looked back on this thread for my posts about talking to him. The posts are at the top of page 73, January 6 and 17th. Jamie told me I was #12 and should see a phone call in 1-2 months. The price at the time was $5475 plus shipping. You know the story.....I'm still waiting. Newest news for me, is I have started looking at the Tremec again from Silver Sport. That trans worked perfect for me in the past, and I'm sorry I sold it to wait for the 855. Oh well, live and learn.


Reminds me of the old Seinfeld episode in the car rental agency.

"You see, you know how to *take* the reservation, you just don't know how to *hold* the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation: the holding. Anybody can just take them."

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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: GY3] #2800910
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After patiently waiting 11+ years, I decided to go with the SST. I previously ran the Keisler 5 summers from 2000-2004 in the '71 and it never missed a beat. It arrived at my house 6 days after ordering it, additional bell housing, clutch/pressure plate assy, etc...... and on top of it, saved myself $2200. The car is going back together this fall.

Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Fasbird] #2842920
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Originally Posted by Fasbird
After patiently waiting 11+ years, I decided to go with the SST. I previously ran the Keisler 5 summers from 2000-2004 in the '71 and it never missed a beat. It arrived at my house 6 days after ordering it, additional bell housing, clutch/pressure plate assy, etc...... and on top of it, saved myself $2200. The car is going back together this fall.


I feel sorry for all the people that got or are getting suckered into paying $6000 for a transmission. My T56 Magnum didn't even cost that much. The new Tremec TKX 5-speed is $2795 and is in a much smaller case so you don't have to cut the trans tunnel. Tremec will be around forever and have an enormous dealer and parts network.

Guys, do some research and save some money. Get a better product faster.


Tremec TKX
TREMEC, the leading manufacturer of manual transmissions and components, announces the release of the new TKX, a 5-speed RWD manual transmission developed solely for the aftermarket. “We listened to our customers, combined their suggestions with our OEM technology and strengthened our aftermarket line up with the addition of the TKX,” says Mike Kidd, aftermarket business unit manager at TREMEC. The all-new 5-speed, single overdrive manual transmission from TREMEC was designed, tested, and built specifically for the aftermarket.

For the development of the new transmission, TREMEC engineers took a forward-looking approach to finding the best and most efficient solution. This included universal packaging, excellent shifting performance, and extreme durability.

The three-piece aluminum housing provides outstanding structural stiffness (includes main case, intermediate plate and rear extension). Gaskets at all flanges simplify installation and eliminate fluid leaks. The transmission is designed for multiple to fit applications with three shifter locations and an overall compact, end-loaded design that provides clearance in most transmission tunnels without floor modifications. Separate GM and Ford case patterns and input configurations are available.


Internally, the TKX features a robust design with internal three-rail shift system and steel shift forks. All gears and shafts are made from special grade steel (ASTM 4615) providing increased torque carrying capacity, and a wide gear width increases gear life and a 600 lb/ft torque capacity, while at the same time, noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH) performance is optimized with a gear layout to best control stress levels.
One of the key characteristics of the TKX transmission is its outstanding shift-ability at high RPM (up to 7,500) to match modern, high-performance engines. This was achieved by using multi-cone synchronizers and hybrid synchronizer rings made of sintered bronze and carbon. Additionally, a single overdrive reduces engine wear and fuel consumption for comfortable roadway driving, and the transmission os offered in multiple gear ratio configurations (See chart below). Connecting the transmission to the engine and driveshaft are a 26-spline input shaft and a 31-spline output shaft for added strength.

TREMEC has also equipped its TKX manual transmission with a high-performance short-throw billet aluminum shifter that isolates road noise, while providing clean, crisp shifts, and a built-in reverse light switch and cruise control safety switch provide additional functionality for street car applications.

https://www.nmcadigital.com/2020/11/06/tremec-debuts-new-tkx-5-speed-rwd-manual-transmission/




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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JP8] #2843175
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Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle.
So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version.
I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: OhioMopar] #2843363
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Originally Posted by OhioMopar
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle.
So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version.
I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.

up Agreed!


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: OhioMopar] #2843406
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Originally Posted by OhioMopar
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle.
So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version.
I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.


You should put yourself on the 10 year-old list for a Passon, then.

Let us know how that works out for you.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: GY3] #2843473
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I was on it... 2010-2017. Have there been zero issues.... No! I still feel the same way about my trans. Worth the wait... just my twocents


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: HemiA12Bee] #2843760
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The price for the Tremec TKX is currently showing to be $2795. The American Powertrain bellhousing for Tremec to Mopar is listed on Summit Racing listed at around $450. SST sells what they call their lighting edition shifter with over 25 shifter positions. I think the total would come out significantly less than the $6K you would spend for the other transmission that you may or may not get for a very long time. Then there is the question of parts to fix said transmission in the future if something goes wrong or a simple rebuild is necessary.

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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: GY3] #2844069
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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by OhioMopar
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle.
So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version.
I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.


You should put yourself on the 10 year-old list for a Passon, then.

Let us know how that works out for you.

I could have had about 3 by now if I had the coin. When I'm ready, I'll get one. But I appreciate you stopping by to complain some more about a transmission you don't have any interest in.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Blakcharger440] #2844075
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Originally Posted by Blakcharger440
The price for the Tremec TKX is currently showing to be $2795. The American Powertrain bellhousing for Tremec to Mopar is listed on Summit Racing listed at around $450. SST sells what they call their lighting edition shifter with over 25 shifter positions. I think the total would come out significantly less than the $6K you would spend for the other transmission that you may or may not get for a very long time. Then there is the question of parts to fix said transmission in the future if something goes wrong or a simple rebuild is necessary.

So if you don't have the space, ability to fabricate the mounting, what is that going to cost? To quote the original cheerleader for the TKX in another thread:

"I called and inquired about what it would take to put my TKO Perfect fit kit into a different car, specifically a big block, and was told that they were specifically fitted to a certain model. I couldn't put the kit in say, an A-body or B-body, but if I wanted to put it in another E-body with a big block the only thing I would need would be a bellhousing."
Lots of folks have A and B-bodies...


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: OhioMopar] #2844798
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I think after reading all the pros, cons, opinions, etc., I think I'm sticking with my stock A833, a 2.93 rear end, and 14" tires. whistling


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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I think after reading all the pros, cons, opinions, etc., I think I'm sticking with my stock A833, a 2.93 rear end, and 14" tires. whistling


That is a great idea.....you do what you like and want to do, and toughs of us who want something different will do the same. up

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