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WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: #2843662
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I've seen this car many times - it's a totally rust-free 440 Dart & I might buy it. Originally white with red interior, the guy painted it black - but a very nice job & thorough. This car is NICE. Has the market softened on these?

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Re: WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: [Re: Sunroofcuda] #2843673
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original engine/transmission/exhaust manifolds, fender tag and or broadcast sheet?

repaired race car or uncut original sheet metal?

Re: WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: [Re: 6bblgt] #2843685
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Originally Posted by 6bblgt
original engine/transmission/exhaust manifolds, fender tag and or broadcast sheet?

repaired race car or uncut original sheet metal?


Not sure on the block, but yes the original manifolds. Not a race car & yes - uncut original sheetmetal - car has never been rusty. I also don't know about the broadcast sheet, but I think it is present. I've known about this car since 1985. Still has the small BP wheels, & rear is 3:55 8-3/4.


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Re: WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: [Re: Sunroofcuda] #2843894
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I’m guessing with you discription $40-$45. These real m codes are hard to find but don’t get the respect they should.

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Originally Posted by blewbyu
I’m guessing with you discription $40-$45. These real m codes are hard to find but don’t get the respect they should.


Personally I'd rather have a 340 car. shruggy


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Agree on the range, maybe a little less if the color change was not done well. would need to see underhood pics as that is where the money would be. If original block and original sheetmetal car with the color change done all over ( jambs, trunk, underside it should be $40-$42k.. Not a ton of uncut #'s block M code darts out there.


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OEM sheet metal will help, a lot ,,,,,,BUT $45k non OE block and a major color change ?

Unless I have completely lost touch with the market ,,,,, Sorry, I dont see it. If it were an original black with red interior ,Maybe ,,,probably

There have been a few matching numbers 383 cars recently in the upper 20s to low 30s advertised the past few months . And IMO when you get into the mid 40s price wise LOTS of possibilities open up for purchase ideas

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I am not an expert but I think the numbers above are in the range- final value will depend on actual condition and originality. I think the red M Code Cuda that was very nicely restored selling so cheap earlier this year reset the market value for these.

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Originally Posted by BigBlockGTS
I am not an expert but I think the numbers above are in the range- final value will depend on actual condition and originality. I think the red M Code Cuda that was very nicely restored selling so cheap earlier this year reset the market value for these.


Unfortunately this may be true. My educated opinion is this car is worth around $40K because of the NOM and the color change no matter how nice it was done. The black 2900 mile M-Code that sold to Jack Black at Mecum in January went way too cheap, and that car set the market now more than the R4 Cuda... twocents


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Re: WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: [Re: Rhinodart] #2844241
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
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I am not an expert but I think the numbers above are in the range- final value will depend on actual condition and originality. I think the red M Code Cuda that was very nicely restored selling so cheap earlier this year reset the market value for these.


Unfortunately this may be true. My educated opinion is this car is worth around $40K because of the NOM and the color change no matter how nice it was done. The black 2900 mile M-Code that sold to Jack Black at Mecum in January went way too cheap, and that car set the market now more than the R4 Cuda... twocents


How much did that 2900 mile B-Fish sell for? (also - was it in nice shape?). I've seen some really low-miler cars over the years that were NOT in good shape!

Also, there are several really nice looking M-code Darts for sale right now on Hemmings for the $38-40k range. They look like nice cars. I seriously thought these would be in the $60-70k range. They are rare as all getout. To me, the 68-9 Dart GTS & Swingers are like mini Roadrunners.

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Re: WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: [Re: BigBlockGTS] #2844308
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Originally Posted by BigBlockGTS
I am not an expert but I think the numbers above are in the range- final value will depend on actual condition and originality. I think the red M Code Cuda that was very nicely restored selling so cheap earlier this year reset the market value for these.


BBGTS - If you are referring to the alleged Julius restored Red 440 Cuda from NY that sold for $40K or there about, I personally inspected the car before making an offer and was glad I did. The paint prep work was done poorly and there was rust or solvent bubbles all over the car. IMO, the car would need to be completely stripped and redone. There were several other issues including the block VIN looked to be restamped and the rare drivers motor mount looked hand fabricated although I'm not an expert. I use to own a Julius restored Charger 500 and the car still looked new even 15 years later. I doubt he restored this one.


1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5
1971 340 Challenger Conv. Flemington Speedway Pace Car
1970 440 Six Pack Challenger 4-speed Dana, EV2
1971 440 Six BBL Roadrunner 4-speed Dana B7
1970 440 Magnum Challenger R/T, Triple Red, 4-Speed, Dana
1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ
1969 Gurney Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
1971 Demon w/440, 10.70s @125 MPH Street Legal!



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Here is a picture I took of the motor mount. I don' know what M Code A bodies are worth these days, but I think a color change and NOM motor will hurt immensely, just like any other collector car.

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1970 Superbird 440 Six BBL, 4-Speed, Dana, FJ5
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1969 Talladega Torino, 428CJ
1969 Gurney Cyclone Spoiler II, 351 Cleveland
1971 Demon w/440, 10.70s @125 MPH Street Legal!



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Re: WIW - 1969 Dart M-Code: [Re: RSI700VIPER] #2844329
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Originally Posted by RSI700VIPER
Here is a picture I took of the motor mount. I don' know what M Code A bodies are worth these days, but I think a color change and NOM motor will hurt immensely, just like any other collector car.


The motor mount is correct. I had heard others who said the paint work on the Cuda was NOT good. The 2900 mile car was right on par with the mileage, I supplied the wheels to the previous owner as it had Cragars on it when he got it. Other than a repaint of the grille, everything was 100% correct and original. I was at the Mecum auction and was shocked when it sold for $80K ($88K all in) as it was bought for a LOT more a decade before.


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was the black 2900 mile car the one with the factory screw up vin that had a p instead of the m that sold new at white bear dodge in minnesota ?


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Not sure how much this is gonna help.
But I know of a 1968 Mr Norm Dart 440 car sold in i think it was Jan 2019 or maybe it was 2018, not 100% sure which now.

But The car brought best I remember upper 70s . This was an original paint very nice unrestored car

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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Not sure how much this is gonna help.
But I know of a 1968 Mr Norm Dart 440 car sold in i think it was Jan 2019 or maybe it was 2018, not 100% sure which now.

But The car brought best I remember upper 70s . This was an original paint very nice unrestored car


Was it yellow? I know of three that have sold in the last couple years that were restored.


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Originally Posted by dk426
was the black 2900 mile car the one with the factory screw up vin that had a p instead of the m that sold new at white bear dodge in minnesota ?



AFAIK the black 2900 mile car always had an M in the VIN.


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Originally Posted by Rhinodart


Was it yellow? I know of three that have sold in the last couple years that were restored.


No, car was burgundy and best i remember had white vinyl top and interior

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when i seen at white bear dodge in 74 or 75 for sale it had a p they wanted around 5k or so went around with them they said thats the way it came in new to the dealer ship talked to a guy in the 80s that had it when i had mine at the show he told me i had the wrong engine code mine was also sold new at white bear dodge

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Originally Posted by gtx6970
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Was it yellow? I know of three that have sold in the last couple years that were restored.


No, car was burgundy and best i remember had white vinyl top and interior


I helped restore that car from a basket case, it had a rear clip put on it because of rust.A Moparts member was the third owner after it was restored and he sold it at auction a couple years ago... wave


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