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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: 62maxwgn] #2840922
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Originally Posted by 62maxwgn
Originally Posted by stumpy
Originally Posted by MONC
Thanks Stumpy.
Was thinking about them, but not hearing good things about electronics in them.
My mechanic just told me a nightmare story .


Well all I know is that my 2011 has 115k miles and no issues what so ever.


And the same here with a 2012 and 123k miles. About your mechanic telling you a nightmare story,that can hold true for just about any brand.
twocents


Agreed with above. Are you sure your jeep (pictured) is a 2012?

Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: wingman] #2840935
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Originally Posted by wingman
We picked up a used 2011 subaru outback. Great shape and everything works, but lots of miles. It was a 6 cylinder with the 5 speed automatic.

If you stay away from the ones with the CVT trannys you should be in good shape. They can also have head gasket issues if the coolant is not serviced regularly. Other than that, so far so good with ours...


The Cvt is now warranteed till 100k on most models.
They have made enhancements to it and its become mostly trouble free. Big problem in the 2010-2012 Outbacks was actually the torque convertor, not the tranny.
We have sold literally hundreds of them. Two torque convertor issues, and one tranny “ whine” issue fixed under warranty. Total. And the ones we sell aren't new ones. Typical 60k to 120kunits.
There is a reason they have an extremely high resale value, they have less warts than others do.
Newer ones no longer have head gasket issues. And 99% of the head gasket issues are seeping oil, not leaking coolant. Seen plenty to say that over years and years of dealing with them. Used to see coolant leaks back in 99-03 more, very rare much after that

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Thanks for the detailed feedback on the Subarus, very helpful.
Definitely dealt with head gasket issues and tranny issues so want to avoid that !


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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: MONC] #2841154
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I NEVER give quarter to anyone driving a Subaru, they are generally not interested in paying attention. They are assembled in Lafayette, Indiana so anyone who says that domestic cars are junk then I guess that applies to a Subaru also. Think before speaking about American assembled automobiles... tsk


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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: moparjim79] #2841181
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Originally Posted by moparjim79
Originally Posted by 62maxwgn
Originally Posted by stumpy
Originally Posted by MONC
Thanks Stumpy.
Was thinking about them, but not hearing good things about electronics in them.
My mechanic just told me a nightmare story .


Well all I know is that my 2011 has 115k miles and no issues what so ever.


And the same here with a 2010 and 123k miles. About your mechanic telling you a nightmare story,that can hold true for just about any brand.
twocents


Agreed with above. Are you sure your jeep (pictured) is a 2012?


Fixed it,2010 sometimes I can't see the numbers ! realcrazy

Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: Rhinodart] #2841194
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
I NEVER give quarter to anyone driving a Subaru, they are generally not interested in paying attention. They are assembled in Lafayette, Indiana so anyone who says that domestic cars are junk then I guess that applies to a Subaru also. Think before speaking about American assembled automobiles... tsk


What the heck are you talking about? 1) It is no secret they are assembled in Lafayette. There is a giant Indiana sticker in the drivers side window. 2) All my other cars are Chryslers. But when they discontinued the Magnum in 2008 anyone wanting an AWD station wagon had to go elsewhere.

Hopefully I'm paying enough attention for you...


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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: Rhinodart] #2841287
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
I NEVER give quarter to anyone driving a Subaru, they are generally not interested in paying attention. They are assembled in Lafayette, Indiana so anyone who says that domestic cars are junk then I guess that applies to a Subaru also. Think before speaking about American assembled automobiles... tsk


I have lived Subaru's daily for the last 12 years. I am way more familiar with them than probably anyone on this forum.
Camry and Accord are made in US as well. Are they bad cars too? For the record Outback i believe is the only Subaru not made in Japan still. And interestingly, Outback is probably its best car
My dad retired from GM, i ran a GM store for 15 years. I am very open minded about different brands
I have raced and owned Mopar muscle car era cars since 1971.
You should be smart enough to know not all cars are created equally, no matter where they are made.
I own a Hemi Ram, love it.
But as far as safe, reliable, good winter cars, Subaru’s are hard to beat.
They have among, if not the highest resale value of anything on the market. There is a reason for that, they are good cars.
Don't let whatever bias you seem to have,place everyone in a basket you seem to have for them.

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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: B3422W5] #2841296
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Originally Posted by B3422W5
Originally Posted by Rhinodart
I NEVER give quarter to anyone driving a Subaru, they are generally not interested in paying attention. They are assembled in Lafayette, Indiana so anyone who says that domestic cars are junk then I guess that applies to a Subaru also. Think before speaking about American assembled automobiles... tsk


I have lived Subaru's daily for the last 12 years. I am way more familiar with them than probably anyone on this forum.
Camry and Accord are made in US as well. Are they bad cars too? For the record Outback i believe is the only Subaru not made in Japan still. And interestingly, Outback is probably its best car
My dad retired from GM, i ran a GM store for 15 years. I am very open minded about different brands
I have raced and owned Mopar muscle car era cars since 1971.
You should be smart enough to know not all cars are created equally, no matter where they are made.
I own a Hemi Ram, love it.
But as far as safe, reliable, good winter cars, Subaru’s are hard to beat.
They have among, if not the highest resale value of anything on the market. There is a reason for that, they are good cars.
Don't let whatever bias you seem to have,place everyone in a basket you seem to have for them.


My bias is with anyone who says that their favorite brand of foreign car is SOOOOO much better than everything else, no matter where it is "assembled". I lost a career to the thieving Japanese and will always be bitter about it. You "auto technicians" think you know everything about automobiles, you just know about the mechanicals and electronics hopefully, other things to consider also. I don't really care much about "its all about my family", screw the United States...


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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: Rhinodart] #2841304
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
Originally Posted by B3422W5
Originally Posted by Rhinodart
I NEVER give quarter to anyone driving a Subaru, they are generally not interested in paying attention. They are assembled in Lafayette, Indiana so anyone who says that domestic cars are junk then I guess that applies to a Subaru also. Think before speaking about American assembled automobiles... tsk


I have lived Subaru's daily for the last 12 years. I am way more familiar with them than probably anyone on this forum.
Camry and Accord are made in US as well. Are they bad cars too? For the record Outback i believe is the only Subaru not made in Japan still. And interestingly, Outback is probably its best car
My dad retired from GM, i ran a GM store for 15 years. I am very open minded about different brands
I have raced and owned Mopar muscle car era cars since 1971.
You should be smart enough to know not all cars are created equally, no matter where they are made.
I own a Hemi Ram, love it.
But as far as safe, reliable, good winter cars, Subaru’s are hard to beat.
They have among, if not the highest resale value of anything on the market. There is a reason for that, they are good cars.
Don't let whatever bias you seem to have,place everyone in a basket you seem to have for them.


My bias is with anyone who says that their favorite brand of foreign car is SOOOOO much better than everything else, no matter where it is "assembled". I lost a career to the thieving Japanese and will always be bitter about it. You "auto technicians" think you know everything about automobiles, you just know about the mechanicals and electronics hopefully, other things to consider also. I don't really care much about "its all about my family", screw the United States...


You have never met a more Conservative guy than me. Thank all the globalists who sold oursouls down the road to China, Mexico and who knows where. Guys like the Clintons, Bush’s, Obama’s of the world. Glad Trump is bring plants back here.
Dont question my patriotism pal, i did 6 years active duty.
Be thankful Americans are building these “ foreign” cars you hate so much. You probably should study parts content on where various auto makers source parts from.
Might/ will surprise you.
I am not an “ auto technician” i am a dealer. I own my business.

Read this....

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/3-american-cars-that-are-barely-made-in-america/


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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
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The problem with Subaru's is they are like just about every other import they're expensive when they break. They're like a cult car- some owners love them and think they're the best cars in the world. Others don't think they're anything special and move on. To me it doesn't matter how good or bad they are or where they are built, I've always hated the way they look. They were ugly in the 80s and they aren't any better now.

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Originally Posted by 5thAve
The problem with Subaru's is they are like just about every other import they're expensive when they break. They're like a cult car- some owners love them and think they're the best cars in the world. Others don't think they're anything special and move on. To me it doesn't matter how good or bad they are or where they are built, I've always hated the way they look. They were ugly in the 80s and they aren't any better now.


I pay service bills every week. They arent anymore expensive to fix than anything else. What you said is completely untrue.
For one thing, Subaru’s are all AWD, and they get driven in bad weather and off road a lot. When you take that into consideration, along with the very high resale value, the cost of ownership shines.
Again, high resale values mean good, reliable car.
Regards looks, hey, its subjective. I kinda agree... lol
None of them look like my 69 GTS.


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To the OP-- I've owned several variants of the jeep cherokee. I had a 2012 Overland that was plagued with problems ( yes, electrical, lots of documented cases- shutting off while driving) and almost forced me out of the Grand Cherokee market until I got an SRT. They are great driving and very comfortable especially on those longer hauls. Lots of room and with good tires, it will raise your poor weather driving confidence if you lack in that area. As for subarus, I had one for a brief period of time as a company vehicle ( 2016 outback), I was religious about its upkeep, and put 32000 miles on it- in 8 months. It already had 91000 miles on it. They are surprisingly agile and capable, the little 4 cylinders will not only please you with good gas mileage, but in naturally aspirated form, they have some guts to 'em. They are not expensive to maintain at all, quite the opposite. I would steer clear of gm products. Ford products just seem so sterile and cheap to me( my opinion based on my experiences, yes I do have a Ford for a company vehicle as is the rest of the fleet) but they've proven reliable with scheduled maintenance also.

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Thanks for the feedback Jim, appreciate it.

Regarding Subarus, yeah they just don't do it for me.
What year is the SRT? How many miles you have on it now? Any issues?


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Honda.... cant beat the reliability.. I bought an AWD HRV four years ago so I wouldn't have to drive my HQC in the salt and snow its been great even thru 6 inches of snow.. we have had a CRV and a Pilot both were great ! My wife is on her third Acura RDX AWD also a very good SUV but a little expensive

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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: MONC] #2841786
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Originally Posted by MONC
Anyone got some recommendations for a vehicle to drive for winter/early spring. Have the cool cars to drive in the summer, but want something bigger and safer for the winter months.
Maybe a leased SUV ? Or would used be a better option? Should I wait till end of December for a better deal?

Thanks


Hi Joe, how are ya??

Not sure what you are into, but we replaced one of our minivans with a 50,000 mile 2013 Volkswagen CC 3.6 VR6 AWD sedan.
It's fast, big, cheap, solid and comfy. A full size sedan, fits all 5 of us, with ample trunk space and the AWD comes in handy around these parts.

If you decide to look for one, be aware that most of the CC's are the small 4-banger 2.0Ti engine..
I was told those engines aren't that good compared to the big 3.6 VR6.

The only weakness we've experienced is the low profile tires get pinched and can blow out on potholes... and you know how many potholes we get in Upstate.

Cheers,
- Art

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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: MONC] #2841871
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Originally Posted by MONC
Thanks for the feedback Jim, appreciate it.

Regarding Subarus, yeah they just don't do it for me.
What year is the SRT? How many miles you have on it now? Any issues?


2014, 109k. "Induction service performed" a fancy way of saying they replaced the lifters under warranty. About 1k miles ago, started getting a generic code p1414. Its an mds issue. I thought I had it narrowed down to the usual culprit, the solenoid, but about 300 miles after I replaced it, the code and the reduction in driveability returned. Since I only put 4k miles a year on my car now, I simply circumvented the problem by switching over to sport mode everytime I get in to drive it. Gonna be very honest, i did NOT buy this vehicle for its miles per gallon, got it for the smiles per gallon. Auto mode on these make it a real bore to drive anyway. I will forewarn you- if you want to play, you have to pay. When repairs and regular maintenance are due, the name holds true
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Originally Posted by B3422W5
Originally Posted by 5thAve
The problem with Subaru's is they are like just about every other import they're expensive when they break. They're like a cult car- some owners love them and think they're the best cars in the world. Others don't think they're anything special and move on. To me it doesn't matter how good or bad they are or where they are built, I've always hated the way they look. They were ugly in the 80s and they aren't any better now.


I pay service bills every week. They arent anymore expensive to fix than anything else. What you said is completely untrue.
For one thing, Subaru’s are all AWD, and they get driven in bad weather and off road a lot. When you take that into consideration, along with the very high resale value, the cost of ownership shines.
Again, high resale values mean good, reliable car.
Regards looks, hey, its subjective. I kinda agree... lol
None of them look like my 69 GTS.


I guess I'm more used to driving stuff that's cheap to repair because I know several Subaru die hards and when I hear what repairs cost them I can almost feel my wallet pucker up.
When I need a bad weather or off road vehicle I go straight for our Yukon keys. If I had to buy a car and knew that I would really be pushing the limits on what I was putting it thru then a subaru would be my choice over something else because they've been at it for so long I would expect it to hold up better.

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Not sure why there is a stigma to the cost to repair makes like Honda or Toyota. I own both. Both are INCREDIBLY reliable (272K on my current driver). Cheap to fix if anything ever does go wrong with them. I do have to admit though, we bought a brand new Honda CRV last winter (wife's old one got totaled from some moron). I really, really do not like all of the current technology on them. Just way to much junk and its all stuff that will be the failure items in the future. I will keep driving the old, reliable super simple ones because I can still fix them without having to own a ton of complicated scanners and interface devices.


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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: 67SATisfaction] #2842058
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Originally Posted by 67SATisfaction
Originally Posted by MONC
Anyone got some recommendations for a vehicle to drive for winter/early spring. Have the cool cars to drive in the summer, but want something bigger and safer for the winter months.
Maybe a leased SUV ? Or would used be a better option? Should I wait till end of December for a better deal?

Thanks


Hi Joe, how are ya??

Not sure what you are into, but we replaced one of our minivans with a 50,000 mile 2013 Volkswagen CC 3.6 VR6 AWD sedan.
It's fast, big, cheap, solid and comfy. A full size sedan, fits all 5 of us, with ample trunk space and the AWD comes in handy around these parts.

If you decide to look for one, be aware that most of the CC's are the small 4-banger 2.0Ti engine..
I was told those engines aren't that good compared to the big 3.6 VR6.

The only weakness we've experienced is the low profile tires get pinched and can blow out on potholes... and you know how many potholes we get in Upstate.

Cheers,
- Art


Hey Art, hope all is well.
Ever since the emissions scam with VW I've boycotted them. Never owned one, likely never will, but appreciate the feedback.


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Re: "New" car recommendations [Re: moparjim79] #2842059
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Originally Posted by moparjim79
Originally Posted by MONC
Thanks for the feedback Jim, appreciate it.

Regarding Subarus, yeah they just don't do it for me.
What year is the SRT? How many miles you have on it now? Any issues?


2014, 109k. "Induction service performed" a fancy way of saying they replaced the lifters under warranty. About 1k miles ago, started getting a generic code p1414. Its an mds issue. I thought I had it narrowed down to the usual culprit, the solenoid, but about 300 miles after I replaced it, the code and the reduction in driveability returned. Since I only put 4k miles a year on my car now, I simply circumvented the problem by switching over to sport mode everytime I get in to drive it. Gonna be very honest, i did NOT buy this vehicle for its miles per gallon, got it for the smiles per gallon. Auto mode on these make it a real bore to drive anyway. I will forewarn you- if you want to play, you have to pay. When repairs and regular maintenance are due, the name holds true
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Otherwise, I love this. Hopefully 1 day soon move on to a trackhawk and mod the pi$$ out of it.


Thanks for the honest feedback Jim, will take it into consideration wink


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