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Re: Best street build [Re: 69coronetr/t] #2833688
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No block mods are needed for a 505 as long as you follow the plan laid out above. 4.250 crank with Chevy 2.200 rod journals. Then you use 7.100 long BB Chevy rods and a matching piston. If you buy the correct parts it goes together very easily. Stock oil pans clear, a windage tray will clear, the stock oil pump pickup will clear. If you stray off the path then you might have clearance issues.

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My 69 GTX clone is a 505. I went with TrickFlow 270 heads and a good roller. Motor not yet installed, but it made 713 hp/709 torque on the dyno. I am looking to run low 10's and will be street driven Has a gear vendor OD.


67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph
67 Coronet 500 (street car) 13.300 @ 101.75 mph
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Originally Posted by 69coronetr/t
True I have the crank and pistons, but for what it cost for machine work I could probably by a crank . Do you remember what block mod you did I remember there was some grinding that had to be done for crank throw clearance?
If you have any info that would be great. Skip White in Tennessee sells complete kits for Ford and chevy that may even be the way to go.
I Bought an Eagle crank and rods for less than 1200 last thanksgiving from Summit on sale. 4.25 crank 7.1 rod saved almost 200 bucks. Icon 842 from 440 source 600 bucks. Had the machine shop source rings and bearings and assemble. 4500 in the complete shortblock less camshaft.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
No block mods are needed for a 505 as long as you follow the plan laid out above. 4.250 crank with Chevy 2.200 rod journals. Then you use 7.100 long BB Chevy rods and a matching piston. If you buy the correct parts it goes together very easily. Stock oil pans clear, a windage tray will clear, the stock oil pump pickup will clear. If you stray off the path then you might have clearance issues.


I think he was refering to the necessary modifications to a factory 440 crank to use in a 400 block. Turning mains and reducing counter weights?

Re: Best street build [Re: carnut68] #2833810
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Re: Best street build [Re: carnut68] #2833875
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Originally Posted by carnut68
Originally Posted by 69coronetr/t
True I have the crank and pistons, but for what it cost for machine work I could probably by a crank . Do you remember what block mod you did I remember there was some grinding that had to be done for crank throw clearance?
If you have any info that would be great. Skip White in Tennessee sells complete kits for Ford and chevy that may even be the way to go.
I Bought an Eagle crank and rods for less than 1200 last thanksgiving from Summit on sale. 4.25 crank 7.1 rod saved almost 200 bucks. Icon 842 from 440 source 600 bucks. Had the machine shop source rings and bearings and assemble. 4500 in the complete shortblock less camshaft.

I have the same combination going together, waiting on bearings, they've been backordered forever.
I went with trickflow 270's and Indy dual plane.

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I'm using standard port Indy Ezs prepped by Dwayne. Probably go with a solid roller. Pump gas low maintenence. Not looking for max hp. I have a collection of 3 intakes An M1, Torker II, TM7. I'd like to find An SD. Its going in an A body so it should interesting.

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Originally Posted by markz528
My 69 GTX clone is a 505. I went with TrickFlow 270 heads and a good roller. Motor not yet installed, but it made 713 hp/709 torque on the dyno. I am looking to run low 10's and will be street driven Has a gear vendor OD.


Yeah we've built a handful of pump gas 505 engines with the TF270 heads and they always end up right in the low 700 range with a street roller type of cam. Higher compression and a more aggressive cam they'll go 750+ hp, but street builds are usually right at the 700 mark. An honest 700 hp is a bit scary in a street car! I rode with a customer in his B body and felt happy to get back to the shop! That car would pick up and move sideways when he rolled into the throttle.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by markz528
My 69 GTX clone is a 505. I went with TrickFlow 270 heads and a good roller. Motor not yet installed, but it made 713 hp/709 torque on the dyno. I am looking to run low 10's and will be street driven Has a gear vendor OD.


Yeah we've built a handful of pump gas 505 engines with the TF270 heads and they always end up right in the low 700 range with a street roller type of cam. Higher compression and a more aggressive cam they'll go 750+ hp, but street builds are usually right at the 700 mark. An honest 700 hp is a bit scary in a street car! I rode with a customer in his B body and felt happy to get back to the shop! That car would pick up and move sideways when he rolled into the throttle.
Andy whats your opinion on using Indy Ezs. Nicely prepped by Dwayne.

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Originally Posted by carnut68
Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by markz528
My 69 GTX clone is a 505. I went with TrickFlow 270 heads and a good roller. Motor not yet installed, but it made 713 hp/709 torque on the dyno. I am looking to run low 10's and will be street driven Has a gear vendor OD.


Yeah we've built a handful of pump gas 505 engines with the TF270 heads and they always end up right in the low 700 range with a street roller type of cam. Higher compression and a more aggressive cam they'll go 750+ hp, but street builds are usually right at the 700 mark. An honest 700 hp is a bit scary in a street car! I rode with a customer in his B body and felt happy to get back to the shop! That car would pick up and move sideways when he rolled into the throttle.
Andy whats your opinion on using Indy Ezs. Nicely prepped by Dwayne.


And remember - the TrickFlow 270's were right out of the box untouched. They were inspected. I have around $2400 in the heads complete with valves and springs.


67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph
67 Coronet 500 (street car) 13.300 @ 101.75 mph
69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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open to forced induction? You can trade a bunch of complexities....for some different complexities, but have a very mild setup in comparison.


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Re: Best street build [Re: carnut68] #2833974
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Originally Posted by carnut68
Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by markz528
My 69 GTX clone is a 505. I went with TrickFlow 270 heads and a good roller. Motor not yet installed, but it made 713 hp/709 torque on the dyno. I am looking to run low 10's and will be street driven Has a gear vendor OD.


Yeah we've built a handful of pump gas 505 engines with the TF270 heads and they always end up right in the low 700 range with a street roller type of cam. Higher compression and a more aggressive cam they'll go 750+ hp, but street builds are usually right at the 700 mark. An honest 700 hp is a bit scary in a street car! I rode with a customer in his B body and felt happy to get back to the shop! That car would pick up and move sideways when he rolled into the throttle.
Andy whats your opinion on using Indy Ezs. Nicely prepped by Dwayne.


EZ heads work okay once they have been touched up. Did you leave them standard port or are they the MW port size?

Re: Best street build [Re: carnut68] #2833989
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Originally Posted by carnut68
I'm using standard port Indy Ezs prepped by Dwayne. Probably go with a solid roller. Pump gas low maintenence. Not looking for max hp. I have a collection of 3 intakes An M1, Torker II, TM7. I'd like to find An SD. Its going in an A body so it should interesting.


That's the great part of these. Very little maintenance if you go hydraulic roller. Plug checks and oil changes for me.


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Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.33 @ 130mph with a 200 shot of nitrous. 6.48 @ 105mph in the 1/8th. 1.37 60 ft.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by carnut68
Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by markz528
My 69 GTX clone is a 505. I went with TrickFlow 270 heads and a good roller. Motor not yet installed, but it made 713 hp/709 torque on the dyno. I am looking to run low 10's and will be street driven Has a gear vendor OD.


Yeah we've built a handful of pump gas 505 engines with the TF270 heads and they always end up right in the low 700 range with a street roller type of cam. Higher compression and a more aggressive cam they'll go 750+ hp, but street builds are usually right at the 700 mark. An honest 700 hp is a bit scary in a street car! I rode with a customer in his B body and felt happy to get back to the shop! That car would pick up and move sideways when he rolled into the throttle.
Andy whats your opinion on using Indy Ezs. Nicely prepped by Dwayne.


EZ heads work okay once they have been touched up. Did you leave them standard port or are they the MW port size?
They are standard port because I have 3 standard port intakes. I bought these thru PRH. So they have good prep.

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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by carnut68
I'm using standard port Indy Ezs prepped by Dwayne. Probably go with a solid roller. Pump gas low maintenence. Not looking for max hp. I have a collection of 3 intakes An M1, Torker II, TM7. I'd like to find An SD. Its going in an A body so it should interesting.


That's the great part of these. Very little maintenance if you go hydraulic roller. Plug checks and oil changes for me.
So you would recommend a hydraulic over a solid roller. What lifters do you use?

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Originally Posted by carnut68
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Originally Posted by carnut68
I'm using standard port Indy Ezs prepped by Dwayne. Probably go with a solid roller. Pump gas low maintenence. Not looking for max hp. I have a collection of 3 intakes An M1, Torker II, TM7. I'd like to find An SD. Its going in an A body so it should interesting.


That's the great part of these. Very little maintenance if you go hydraulic roller. Plug checks and oil changes for me.
So you would recommend a hydraulic over a solid roller. What lifters do you use?


That all depends on what you are using it for. I used Howards hydraulic roller cam and lifters. Over 7000 miles so far and no issues.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.33 @ 130mph with a 200 shot of nitrous. 6.48 @ 105mph in the 1/8th. 1.37 60 ft.

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Man I just not sold on hydraulic rollers , there is just to much going on there with lifter bleed off ,pumping up, float, and plunger stick at higher rims. Solids are consistent and lighter.
Enlighten me to what I'm missing here.

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Nothing and I agree with you. Been running and racing with an Isky .680-.660 276-281 roller for longer than I can remember but it has nice street/strip lobes which are easy on valve springs only needing to change em twice but still run 9's or low 6's 'no problem and is tame as a kitten till you hammer the loud peddle. And now with a t-ram it's actually more docile and sounds like I lost a bit of duration so the big thing is lobe design no doubt and checking/setting lash a few times a year......Go for it....


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I agree with Dom. Not gonna run 9's with a hydraulic lifter, not even low 10's with a 511. I'm using a solid flat tappet and going 10 O's with a street/strip 511. I would use a solid roller and good quality rocker for very little maintenance.

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LS guys make over 2000HP with hydraulic lifters.

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