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Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: Myrtle] #2826676
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Seen a few of these Challengers that were to have the shaker code via the order and did not come through with one. Had a friend that wrote on his Order Sheet will not except car without Shaker Hood. I believe he ordered it some time in the fall and it ended up with I believe a 410 SPD on the tag. Like one of the first ones to come back into the build sequence when shakers became a normal part of the build. 1970 was a new build with lots of problems and lots of new things. Can you imagine building all the AARs and TA and then the Shaker comes back on board and were do all the extra build parts go in the plant. Must of been a nightmare. Working in Automotive Production all my working life this is the worst thing to happen in a plant when management wants some and there is no room for that something in plant but you have to know the daily build to overcome this lack of room.


1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY
Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: hemicar1971] #2826718
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Top of the buildsheet says "1969"


Yet the VIN on the BS shows "BS23R1B......?


Something fishy. Plus the BS is a copy.

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: ragtopdodge] #2826720
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Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
Top of the buildsheet says "1969"


Yet the VIN on the BS shows "BS23R1B......?


Something fishy. Plus the BS is a copy.


I don't think that's a "1". There is no thing out to the top left side of the vertical line. Location in the box looks like it may be an "L". I've got a broadcast sheet around here somewhere that has part of the VIN offset to the right one box.

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: NewbombTurkk] #2826721
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Originally Posted by NewbombTurkk
I wish old cars could talk. Wonder why it was not stored better or even restored during the boom years of the car hobby?


Oh, I'll take that one: Because, apparently, these cars were meant to have the living daylights driven out of them, and they should be out to rot or with the shopping carts and ignorant people all the time. Gets posted on here a lot and gets said at car shows often by guys who can't even afford the hubcaps on a friggen' PT Cruiser.

Some people have pride in what they worked for, many don't.


Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: Jim_Lusk] #2826730
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Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
Top of the buildsheet says "1969"


Yet the VIN on the BS shows "BS23R1B......?


Something fishy. Plus the BS is a copy.


I don't think that's a "1". There is no thing out to the top left side of the vertical line. Location in the box looks like it may be an "L". I've got a broadcast sheet around here somewhere that has part of the VIN offset to the right one box.


That's an expensive car to have a typo on the broadcast sheet. But if the VIN matches I would say that's the only thing wrong about the car. A typo. It does look like an L. Great car, but a lot of metal work and non numbers drive train and no DANA. But a nice color combo.

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: Finoke] #2826733
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it is a 1969 broadcast sheet, which happened for ~15,000 consecutive 1970 model year builds on assembly LINE #1 at Hamtramck mid-September thru mid-October 1969

there is a "typo" on line 1 - a "L" instead of a "0" for the model year ( I sure hope the original broadcast sheet exists )

the car was ACTUALLY built ~3 week after its 9/28 "SCHEDULED PRODUCTION DATE" - probably delayed "WISHFUL THINKING" for the SHAKER hood to be available

& "N96" is coded in the proper position "IF" the broadcast sheet was the correct 1970 F-SERIES version

e-bodies N96 SHAKER.jpg
Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: 6bblgt] #2826734
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& the car was on display at MCACN 2018 scope in the "barn find" section

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Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: 6bblgt] #2826788
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It's very much an 'L' on the BCS, not a '1'. So clearly, it's a typo.

Note that L, O, and 0 are all close to one another on the keyboard.

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: 6bblgt] #2826789
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Too many ifs IMO ...


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Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: YYZ] #2826799
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Originally Posted by YYZ
It's very much an 'L' on the BCS, not a '1'. So clearly, it's a typo.

Note that L, O, and 0 are all close to one another on the keyboard.



It's a printer error. I have a couple of buildsheets where this happened. Throws off the lines and format. But it happened more then you would think.

They also used 69 buildsheets with 70 data which doesn't line up. I have a couple of those too.


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Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: 6bblgt] #2826926
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Originally Posted by 6bblgt
it is a 1969 broadcast sheet, which happened for ~15,000 consecutive 1970 model year builds on assembly LINE #1 at Hamtramck mid-September thru mid-October 1969

there is a "typo" on line 1 - a "L" instead of a "0" for the model year ( I sure hope the original broadcast sheet exists )

the car was ACTUALLY built ~3 week after its 9/28 "SCHEDULED PRODUCTION DATE" - probably delayed "WISHFUL THINKING" for the SHAKER hood to be available

& "N96" is coded in the proper position "IF" the broadcast sheet was the correct 1970 F-SERIES version



Why is it blank in the "N" section, column "96"???

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: ragtopdodge] #2826967
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Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
Originally Posted by 6bblgt
it is a 1969 broadcast sheet, which happened for ~15,000 consecutive 1970 model year builds on assembly LINE #1 at Hamtramck mid-September thru mid-October 1969

there is a "typo" on line 1 - a "L" instead of a "0" for the model year ( I sure hope the original broadcast sheet exists )

the car was ACTUALLY built ~3 week after its 9/28 "SCHEDULED PRODUCTION DATE" - probably delayed "WISHFUL THINKING" for the SHAKER hood to be available

& "N96" is coded in the proper position "IF" the broadcast sheet was the correct 1970 F-SERIES version



Why is it blank in the "N" section, column "96"???


Because the 69 E series BS columns do not match up with the 70 F series BS columns. You have to transfer the codes over to a 70 F series BS. Neet car...I seen it and talked to the old owner at MCACN 2 years ago. He admitted not really wanted to sell back then and the price he told me reflected that. If I remember right he wanted 100 K or close to it.

The car is missing a lot of high dollar parts, (Hemi brake booster, radiator, carbs, power steering pump/cooler, pulleys, trans cooler, etc)... All that plus sheetmetal and body work will add up fast if doing a OE correct restoration. Sure would be fun though...

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: ratroaster] #2827174
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I helped pull this out for MCACN.... if you have any questions, let me know.

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Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: Devil] #2827352
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Also missing the Dana, which is a pricey item.

Does anyone have information on the Fender Tag for El Hemi? That was also ordered as a shaker car and was an earlier build. It ended up with a T/A hood. If i recall.

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Originally Posted by RP's R/T's
Does anyone have information on the Fender Tag for El Hemi? That was also ordered as a shaker car and was an earlier build.


That one was not ordered with a shaker hood.


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It ended up with a T/A hood. If i recall.


Later, well after it was built.

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2827767
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The T/A hood he installed on it was a prototype as I recall, as the original owner was a Chrysler engineer and was able to get it through his work.
http://www.elhemi.com/

Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: Mastershake340] #2827846
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The current owner has stated the reserve is $85,000 on Facebook.
Not a cheap price but not out of this world depending on the true condition of the body. Too bad his photos are terrible and do not provide the detail to judge the body condition. If it was a 4 speed car it would be a bit of a deal, especially if you were sitting on some of the missing components.


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85K is pretty steep, considering another 100+ but by the time its gets restored, hoping someone will fork over 200, never be driven again possibly, only time will tell.


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Re: 1970 HEMI Challenger.... real deal! [Re: tx9cuda] #2828494
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Originally Posted by tx9cuda
That BS appears to read JS23R1B - 71 Challenger.


Its a early 1969 sheet. So the 1or L is probably a typo.. fendertag is the original one,
But early built N96 coded cars often got the J54 hood.. the line cant wait

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There was only 1 Hemi Challenger ordered around my neck of the woods. (Rural Arkansas.) He ordered it with a shaker. When it came in without it he started screaming. The dealership explained the problem at the factory, that they didn't have all the parts. The dealership said they would order all the parts and install them when they came in. When the dealership finally got all the parts and called him for the install he said to forget it and that he would just live with it the way it is.


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