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Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: 62maxwgn] #2819827
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Originally Posted by 62maxwgn

Like I said,try this you've nothing to lose !

I've had quite a few tapered axles that wouldn't come off,old mechanic told me to loosen the nut,jack the back end up with tires on ,run it up to about 25/30 mph,hit the brakes a few times,it always worked.


Tried that about a dozen times, slamming the brakes on as hard and as fast as I could. Nothing.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: NITROUSN] #2819830
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Originally Posted by NITROUSN


Should work. Just make sure the flat end of the piece you welded to the nut can butt to the axle. The washer you could leave out. The stub positively has to hit the axle, that's the key to making the jar effective. I would of tried to find a larger and longer piece. Keep all the weight on the side you are trying to remove. Jack the opposite side wheel off the ground. Bigger the sledge the better. Every wack or two tighten the nut. 10 pound or bigger on the sledge.


Was cut off a piece of rebar I have. I didn't want it too long, my thinking is a longer lever arm times me not hitting it exactly square can't be good on the end of the axle. I squared the end up on my belt sander, and clamped it to the nut when I welded it, so it should butt up to the end of the axle. I was using a 10lb sledge, and snugging up the nut. Wheel on ground, other wheel in air, nothing.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: Sniper] #2819831
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by 375inStroke
I hear loosening the nut and driving around the block works.


That's how I got them loose on my 51, back off a turn or two of the nut, put the pin back in and drive around some corners.



This didn't work.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: Twostick] #2819835
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Originally Posted by Twostick
A buddy of mine drove the wheel studs in with a BFH and then turned the swedge down in his lathe on the replacements to the exact size of the holes in the drum to correctly locate it for installation.

Makes future brake jobs a breeze.

Kevin


Originally Posted by dvw
9/16" hole saw with no center bit. Cut the swedges and the drum slides right off.
Doug


I don't have confidence I won't mess the hub up doing this on the car. I'd really like to get it on the bench, and on the drill press. Once they are off, I'll try this conversion. Why were they not like this originally? Same with the fronts.

http://hotrodsandhemis.com/TaperedAxleBrakes.html

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: John_Kunkel] #2819837
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Never had that much trouble pulling taper axle drums but some swear by the Fairbanks puller.

http://www.chrysler300club.com/rcmstuff/fairbanks/puller.html


Looks like I'll be trying this tonight. Hope the studs hold up.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: 375inStroke] #2819891
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After you get the drums off you may find this helpful: http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/TaperedAxleBrakes.html I've done this conversion several times and have often been able to reuse the existing drums.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: Twostick] #2819954
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Originally Posted by Twostick
A buddy of mine drove the wheel studs in with a BFHKevin


Doing this risks enlarging the holes in the hub. Cut the swedges first.


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Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: John_Kunkel] #2819961
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as well as bending the hub flange.
i used a BFH only once................then had to replace the hub flange.
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Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: moparx] #2820008
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A swedge cutter is shaped like a piece of tubing that will just barely fit over the threads of the stud and has cutting teeth to cut the swedged area down till it no longer grips the drum (or rotor). When pressing the studs out or back into the hub, be sure to support the hub on the other side so you don't bend it all to héll. A BFH by itself isn't the appropriate tool to be using for this job. Guys used to bring in four wheel drive hubs that were all bent up from removing studs with their Ford tool and wanted to know if I could fix em. Said yeah, fork over a hundred dollar bill and I'll sell you a new one. That was back around 1990, so the price may be different today.


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Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: poorboy] #2820033
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Originally Posted by poorboy
I've ran into a few that just never did come off. I killed a couple good spindles trying different things.
These days, if I see one of those rear axles come in, I tell them its time to upgrade the rear end. I'm not messing with them again. Gene




Agreed!, I did this on my Daughter's 1961 Bev/Fury, swapped/bolt in a 1970 E body 8 3/4 rather than deal with an antiquated design/obsolete parts, the OP could have had this in place for the amount of effort in just getting a drum off

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: DAYCLONA] #2820066
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I did have one a number of years back that refused all attempts at removal. With the nut loose, the correct puller in place and under quite a load, I fired up the torch with a rosebud tip. I started heating as evenly as possible. It took quite a bit of heat before it let go and I'll swear you could hear it a block away. beer

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: TJP] #2820118
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Years ago while working at the gas station, my boss and I spent 3 days trying to get a rear drum off a car. My boss taught a night automotive class at out local college, and had been working on that stuff for years. He had the correct puller and a lot of experience. We did every trick in the book to get the drum off and we were unsuccessful. The last day, we ended up applying a lot of heat, and the puller finally moved, it bent the axle stub. I have replaced the entire axle assembly on everyone of those vehicles with the splined axle brake drum since.

With the amount of effort the OP is putting into removing the drum, I have to wonder what shape the hub and axle are in at this point. There is a lot of effort for what I suspect isn't going to be a good outcome. Gene

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: 375inStroke] #2820137
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I am thinking back to that video where Safest Rust Remover brand liquid was sprayed onto a rear axle using a baby’s swimming pool to collect the drippings for a pump to recirculate. This cleaned off the rust quite thoroughly.

Perhaps if the stuck spline was de-rusted before pulling it would go better?

It is also possible to chill with dry ice the inner hub
while heating the outer.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: 360view] #2820856
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The shop I used to work for had the Official Chrysler tool, a massive slide hammer. You really need to swedge the drums, it's easy with the tool and not very expensive,The slide hammer was a 2 man job for mortal men. Fortunately I only had to use that a couple of times and a long time ago at that.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: John_Kunkel] #2820906
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
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A buddy of mine drove the wheel studs in with a BFHKevin


Doing this risks enlarging the holes in the hub. Cut the swedges first.


I'm pretty sure the hole in the hub is bigger than the swedge otherwise how would you be able to install a stud in the first place?

The BFH method while crude, is effective.

Kevin

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Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by Twostick
A buddy of mine drove the wheel studs in with a BFHKevin


Doing this risks enlarging the holes in the hub. Cut the swedges first.


I'm pretty sure the hole in the hub is bigger than the swedge otherwise how would you be able to install a stud in the first place?

The BFH method while crude, is effective.

Kevin



Pretty sure you don't understand what swedging is. The swedge is formed after the stud is installed in the hub, it is peened over to essentially rivet the drum and hub together and no the BFH is not effective unless your goal is to remove the lug with no concern to damage caused.

Model A but the concept applies

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/swaging.htm

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: Sniper] #2821192
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Cutting the swedges was easy. Go slow until you drill .040"-.050" deep. The hole saw did touch the hub in a few spots but not enough to matter. I even reused the drums.
Doug

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by Twostick
A buddy of mine drove the wheel studs in with a BFHKevin


Doing this risks enlarging the holes in the hub. Cut the swedges first.


I'm pretty sure the hole in the hub is bigger than the swedge otherwise how would you be able to install a stud in the first place?

The BFH method while crude, is effective.

Kevin



Pretty sure you don't understand what swedging is. The swedge is formed after the stud is installed in the hub, it is peened over to essentially rivet the drum and hub together and no the BFH is not effective unless your goal is to remove the lug with no concern to damage caused.

Model A but the concept applies


http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/swaging.htm



The concept I understand but apparently not the execution.

I wasn't there when my buddy did it but the way he described it, I assumed the swage was rolled into the stud making a bubble with a slightly larger OD than the rest of the stud. The reason I made that assumption was because he told me he had to turn the new stud down a couple thou at that particular spot for the drum to slip on the stud and locate exactly.

He may very well have cut the swage off before applying the BFH and perhaps the part that gets peined over on the new stud didn't go through the hole in the drum to suit him so he gave it a shave.

I stand corrected.

Kevin

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: Twostick] #2823427
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So, I got it off using the Fairbanks puller. Thanks, John K. A 1/2" steel plate that I spent over an hour at the drill press with, and ten left and right hand thread lug nuts I welded together to put on the wheel studs. A few bolts, and it came off easily. There was even anti seize on the shaft, but all the other methods failed. The puller you showed, BANDIT, sure looks heavy duty. All the ones I see for sale look like cheap imitations, and I can't imagine what the price of a real puller would be. I tried the knocker, but the quarter panel kept me from getting a real good swing at it. Threaded puller, and slide hammer puller from the local Schmuck's Auto didn't work, even while applying heat, and blasting away with a rivet gun while under tension. Making hard turns with the nut loose, or slamming the brakes on from 30mph with the car on jack stands also didn't work. It knocked the trim ring off the other wheel, though. Five half inch bolts all pulling together did the trick, and cost $6. Changing to right hand studs is why I'm taking this off. I'll definitely be trying to do the slip on drum conversion. Thanks for everyone's help. I did try all your suggestions other than using a real puller which I don't have access to.

Re: The dreaded splined axle brake drum removal [Re: 375inStroke] #2823579
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I have my Dad's tool from the 40's,I've taken of some of the most stuck on rusted piles you can imagine ...some have come off like a canon shot where the whole car shook..but every does come off with a Bang!

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