Yes.

lol, you don't have a leg to stand on. What kind of Idiot buys a car from a Stealership without looking at it?

The same idiot that trusted you one time without knowing you. Move on ya obnoxious drunk.

Start with the dealer you bought it from and work from there. Really the other dealers didn't misrepresent the car to you. If the dealer you bought it from wants to go back to them then that is on them.

Every State is different, but the basic law is very basic on this type of issue.

A dealer has different requirements than an individual. Think of it like this: I have a car I want to sell. I've never sold a car before in my life. (This is actually true.) So, somebody calls me and has an offer. They can come up with half of the cash price, but they have a pickup they want to trade for the other half. They assure me the pickup is worth more than the cash they would owe. I accept, take their cash and their truck and leave the for sale sign in the truck and park it by the road for sale. Next day I sell the truck. Great I figure I am done. Well the truck has issues and the buyer wants to come back to me.

I can clearly claim ignorance and that I am not a dealer. I can't be held responsible as I would not have any way to know there were issues with the vehicle. I can at least make the argument that I would not have the expertise to know something was wrong with the vehicle. It may or may not stand up in court, but I can at least make a good argument.

Now this is what a dealer does every day. Day in and day out, cars come and go. They know what the cars are worth, they know specific cars have specific known issues. They are in the business of knowing this information. In fact, this is what they tell people is the best reason to deal with them over an individual, they know cars.

A dealer also has another major issue. As a dealer there is the warranty of merchantability in play as well. https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/what-is-the-warranty-of-merchantability.html

You may not be able to use this, but if they mislabeled the vehicle they may very well have failed to live up to it.

At the very least you need to contact a lawyer. Talk to them first, before you take it up with the dealer. The first thing is to decide what you actually want. Do you want to return the car or just get some of the cost of the vehicle back?

I have been told by my fleet dealer that our beat down on trade in value of cruisers is from the Carfax report, when they are involved in crashes, that are reported in state crash reports. My office manager was insisting that even minor mumps with government vehicles required a state crash report. He couldn’t produce where that was written, so I put a stop to it.

If in the end in stuck, im stuck, I will replace the rocker and buy a couple new bare doors and fix it properly. But if I can get a bit back I will, and the way the title was done is really hokey and sine the one big dealer was involved maybe they will or wont care about the bad reviews or press. The local tv channels love stories like this in there wrong doing stories.

Yea, if I could of, of course id of been there in person and looked it over and offered 3k less, but it just wasnt possible in this case so I stupidly trusted someone.

I think most of us who has bought and restored older mopars have had semi similar situations or not.

I started doing basic body and prep work at 9, yes nine for a guy who restored tractors, I started painting at 15. I could of done better work then this at 20.

But at the end of the day if I dump another 2k in parts/paint and my labor ive just got another car I paid too much for, not the end of the world...... BUT all I asked and was expecting was square honest dealings and that didnt happen on the sellers end.

The real ironic part is since the title now shows so many transfers in a week the "net" says they call it a "hot potato" car, geee my screen name.

I love the part it was a dry hot environment car as it will never be outside in the elements from now on.

I can buy a brand new trans off ebay right now for $800 shipped, I can but a 20k motor for less then that.

Its a car I can still work on and it fits in with all my other factory orange cars.

But bottom line is... All I asked and was expecting was square honest dealings and that didnt happen on the sellers end. So hes got some well deserved grief coning one way or another. Hes the one who pushed the carfax report over and over.


I found this on one of my states attorneys sites...

When you sue a car dealership for failing to provide appropriate history or misrepresenting the condition and/or the status of the title you would be entitled to triple damages plus attorney’s fees if you are successful in front of a judge or jury.

This should be interesting.

Best of luck, I hope you get this resolved.

"Does it make sense that some things ya just got to let go of?"

Yes, definitely. But not in this case. Good luck - you did not get what you paid for.

Yep. This is the most accurate post in this thread.

Regards Carfax, only repair facilities that are signed up to report to them will show up on the report.
Joe Schmoe independent shop might have done a ball joint and it wont show
Same with a small body shop that might have fixed the damage with having hit a deer when the owner didnt have full coverage and had to pay cash to get it fixed. Such small, independent shops sometimes dont report. That said, Carfax is still a valuable tool, its just not a bible. Showing ownership history alone is helpful.

As a dealership owner, we tell all customers that we recommend them take the car to a shop of their choosing to have it inspected, if they so desire. Its never a bad idea to do so.
Regards various signatures/ signoffs on titles, no big deal. If anything is out of line, state DMV’s wont process the deal, so dealers generally stay right on top of such things.
You cant legally sell a car without a legit title, so no sense trying to do so. Doesn't get anyone anywhere.
Regards the problems of the OP...... take the car and get it looked at by someone you trust, before pulling the trigger. Sometimes there are two sides to a story, perhaps you have champagne taste, and a beer budget. Maybe you paid for a turd and thats what you got.