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Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: NITROUSN] #2815683 08/31/20 09:28 PM 08/31/20 09:28 PM
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BlueRacer69 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 727 Michigan	Originally Posted by NITROUSN Maybe you need these with the larger shank diameter. these are .684 where the ones you are trying to use are .592. Did you ever call Cragar to verify what nuts you need for the wheels you have? Exactly what wheel did you buy? I see two styles series 08/61 S/S and 61C S/S. CRR-27721-4 Hey NITROUSN, I bought the series 08/61 S/S Cragar mags, and I bought the .592 shank diameter lug nuts. But I think I should of maybe went with the bigger .684 diameter shank instead. But the .592's is the ones the seller said fit the 5 on 4" small Cragar bolt circle. One of the first things I noticed when I tested the first mag wheel on my Dart was the lug nut seemed slightly sloppy in mag hole. Now I'm thinking of ordering another set of lug nuts with the .684 diameter shank and see if those fit better. Wish me luck.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: BlueRacer69] #2815864 09/01/20 01:22 PM 09/01/20 01:22 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,307 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,307 north of coder	i may have missed it, but what size hole do your wheels have ?

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: moparx] #2815920 09/01/20 05:02 PM 09/01/20 05:02 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,193 NEW JERSEY AARCONV master
AARCONV master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,193 NEW JERSEY	i don't see a picture of the mags or the lug nuts in question but here is my take on it..take the lug nut i am assuming with the shank on it and stick it thru the mag wheel hole..it should not be sticking past the back flange or even close to it to bottom out on the drum or hub assembly ...next take the lug nut and screw it into the stud to make sure it did not bottom out inside the lug nut before it reaches the drum and you don't have a lot of treads left sticking out..and does it use a washer? the lug nut i think is your problem..they might not be deep enough inside and they bottom out on the tip of the stud..cutting the lug nut shorter only shortens the length going into the mag wheel hole..but the inside is still too short..just saying

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: AARCONV] #2816058 09/02/20 12:05 AM 09/02/20 12:05 AM
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BlueRacer69 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 727 Michigan	Originally Posted by AARCONV i don't see a picture of the mags or the lug nuts in question but here is my take on it..take the lug nut i am assuming with the shank on it and stick it thru the mag wheel hole..it should not be sticking past the back flange or even close to it to bottom out on the drum or hub assembly ...next take the lug nut and screw it into the stud to make sure it did not bottom out inside the lug nut before it reaches the drum and you don't have a lot of treads left sticking out..and does it use a washer? the lug nut i think is your problem..they might not be deep enough inside and they bottom out on the tip of the stud..cutting the lug nut shorter only shortens the length going into the mag wheel hole..but the inside is still too short..just saying I had the lug nuts shorten at a local machine shop because they were to long and not allowing the mag wheel to tighten down against the brake drum. Now they tighten down good but loosen back up after a few miles. I think the shanks of the lug nuts are a little to small for the bolt holes. Just my thinking.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: BlueRacer69] #2816123 09/02/20 08:42 AM 09/02/20 08:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Originally Posted by BlueRacer69 Originally Posted by AARCONV i don't see a picture of the mags or the lug nuts in question but here is my take on it..take the lug nut i am assuming with the shank on it and stick it thru the mag wheel hole..it should not be sticking past the back flange or even close to it to bottom out on the drum or hub assembly ...next take the lug nut and screw it into the stud to make sure it did not bottom out inside the lug nut before it reaches the drum and you don't have a lot of treads left sticking out..and does it use a washer? the lug nut i think is your problem..they might not be deep enough inside and they bottom out on the tip of the stud..cutting the lug nut shorter only shortens the length going into the mag wheel hole..but the inside is still too short..just saying I had the lug nuts shorten at a local machine shop because they were to long and not allowing the mag wheel to tighten down against the brake drum. Now they tighten down good but loosen back up after a few miles. I think the shanks of the lug nuts are a little to small for the bolt holes. Just my thinking. They might need to be shorter. I cut my own w/o issue. Have you taken the wheel off and put the nut in the hole to see if it is still too long? How much of the wheel stud sticks out w/o a thread? I do know you should use the specific washers, but that usually applies to uni-lug. Perhaps if you took some of the chrome off the back side of the washers that might help. Something is up, I'd expect a few to loosen up but not all 20. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2816197 09/02/20 12:06 PM 09/02/20 12:06 PM
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B1MAXX top fuel Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,959 Apollo, PA.	you have the wrong shank diam. lug nuts. When you put cragars on a 7/16 stud there is a special extra thick shank lug nut. It has the same outside dia. of a 1/2 inch lug. These are both 7/16-20 Last edited by B1MAXX; 09/02/20 12:08 PM.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: BlueRacer69] #2818115 09/07/20 10:58 AM 09/07/20 10:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Well were you able to solve the problem??

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: NITROUSN] #2818197 09/07/20 03:07 PM 09/07/20 03:07 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,307 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,307 north of coder	i'm curious as well. problem issues being resolved with posted results help all of us.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: NITROUSN] #2818342 09/07/20 09:01 PM 09/07/20 09:01 PM
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BlueRacer69 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 727 Michigan	Originally Posted by NITROUSN Well were you able to solve the problem?? I think I solve the problem for now (maybe). Here is what I've done as of this posting. I've removed all the Cragar S/S lug nuts from the mags because they just would not stay tight. Then I replaced them with 7/16-20 acorn style nuts with the taper ends. Yes the same type lug nuts that is used on the Mopar Ralley Wheels. I've only driven the car a couple of times since trying these nuts, but they seem to be working and staying tight so far on the Cragar Mags. Who knew this would work. More time and some longer trips with the car will tell the true story.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: BlueRacer69] #2818357 09/07/20 09:51 PM 09/07/20 09:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	In order for a tapered seat lug nut to work the wheels need to have tapered seats. If they do not what you are doing is dangerous. Cragar has SS wheels with tapered seats.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: NITROUSN] #2818360 09/07/20 09:56 PM 09/07/20 09:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Are you sure your wheels are not the 61C/SS these take a tapered seat lug nut. Bottom one on the chart. 61C/SS

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: NITROUSN] #2818704 09/08/20 07:14 PM 09/08/20 07:14 PM
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BlueRacer69 OP super stock B Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 727 Michigan	Originally Posted by NITROUSN Are you sure your wheels are not the 61C/SS these take a tapered seat lug nut. Bottom one on the chart. 61C/SS Hey NITROUSN, You may have just hit the nail on the head. I went and found the invoice from Summit Racing that came with the Cragar Mags. Here's the part number on the invoice: CRR-61C4654 14X6 5on4 S/S Cragar. It looks like they are the 61C type mags after all. So this type of Cargar S/S wheel takes & uses a tapered seat lug nut. Stupid Me, I've been trying to use the old school style Cragar lug nuts with the shank ends. No wonder they kept coming loose on me. Thank you everyone for all the input. Looks like problem solved.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: BlueRacer69] #2818717 09/08/20 08:19 PM 09/08/20 08:19 PM
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NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,406 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	That was your problem. Summit lists it with conical seat. Brand: Cragar Manufacturer's Part Number: 1421908402B Part Type: Wheels Product Line: Cragar 61C Series S/S Super Sport Chrome Wheels Summit Racing Part Number: CRR-61C4654 UPC: 038244248575 Wheel Diameter: 14 in. Wheel Width (in): 6.000 in. Wheel Bolt Pattern (app): 5 x 101.6mm 5 x 4 in. Wheel Material: Steel/Aluminum TPMS Sensor Compatible: Yes Primary Wheel Color: Chrome Wheel Finish: Chrome Manufacturers Wheel Series: Cragar S/S Super Sport Series Backspacing (in): 3.500 in. Offset: 0.00mm Wheel Construction: 2-piece Beadlock Included: No Beadlock Functional: No Lug Nut Seat Style: Conical seat - 60 degree

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: NITROUSN] #2818722 09/08/20 08:26 PM 09/08/20 08:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,511 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,511 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	Never heard of a 5x4 Cragar with a conical seat, must be something new. I wonder when they started making them and why? The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2818871 09/09/20 10:05 AM 09/09/20 10:05 AM
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SuperRob member S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 178 Hamburg - Germany	Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck They might need to be shorter. I cut my own w/o issue. ... How did you cut them? I'm facing the same problem with some AR Mags and left hand lug nuts. Don't want to use the local machine shop if not necessary.

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: SuperRob] #2819202 09/10/20 09:00 AM 09/10/20 09:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Originally Posted by SuperRob Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck They might need to be shorter. I cut my own w/o issue. ... How did you cut them? I'm facing the same problem with some AR Mags and left hand lug nuts. Don't want to use the local machine shop if not necessary. Cut off tool with a GOOD thin wheel. If you don't have air, you could use a grinder with a good thin wheel, or a ban saw. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Issues with Cragar S/S lug nuts [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2819278 09/10/20 12:14 PM 09/10/20 12:14 PM
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SuperRob member S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 178 Hamburg - Germany	Thanks. I have a straight grinder that should work with a thin wheel.

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