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Re: 66 Hemi block [Re: hemicar1971] #2806805
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Originally Posted by hemicar1971
On the bottom of the pan rail it is clean with no Machining Number or Assembly Number or year Identification Letter, i would be looking for the rivit or the rivit hole to see if it was a Warrenty Block. No Year Identification on the top pad also make one thing to look for the rivit or rivit hole.


In the picture above you see the rivet, a joy to find that. I just stuck a extra blue tag, I had laying around, there for reference.
A gentleman who worked at the St Louis plant claimed the factory recalled and replaced all the early bad main cap Hemi‘s poured in early 65 (August). My car has a shipping date of Jan 66 (before the new batch Hemi’s where built) so this engine would be a perfect fit. Can’t prove anything but makes me satisfied.

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Never heard of bad blocks in any early Hemi. I have a casting date of 4-4-64 hemi block that went in to a 1965 B Body, and a BH 1966 Hemi block that is now in my Challenger. Never heard of any problems with the early motors, blocks and both these blocks have seen a vast amount of drag racing over the years.


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It was in the Direct conection books, those first blocks had caps made wrong and where breaking under load. Parting line was on the side not on top.

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More, what the guy was talking about

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Reading the article I have never come across those Main caps but do remember some print on them now, I also have never come across a 1964 Hemi Balancer that was a thin balancer, not many 1964 Hemis out there I think 271 blocks were cast, have what Chrysler built for 1964 some place. Maybe a thin balancer for 1964 went on Nascar Hemis. 1965 motors have the thin balancer, All three of my 1971 installed production hemis do not have these main caps and all came with the stock thick balancer. You would think if Chrysler knew about these main caps in the blocks they would have a breaking point to when these caps were installed in the blocks that got these. But like everything else they only deal with a problem after it happens not before it happens and hope your warranty runs out but just how much warranty did you get on a Hemi Engine in a vehicle. I will dig that old yellow book out and read the complete section...

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Never heard of a recall.

The Tech Tip was calling out that some early blocks had those caps but I personally have never seen any, and I have never seen a Hemi break a cap either., at least a normally aspirated one.

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Originally Posted by hemicar1971
Reading the article I have never come across those Main caps but do remember some print on them now, I also have never come across a 1964 Hemi Balancer that was a thin balancer, not many 1964 Hemis out there I think 271 blocks were cast, have what Chrysler built for 1964 some place. Maybe a thin balancer for 1964 went on Nascar Hemis. 1965 motors have the thin balancer, All three of my 1971 installed production hemis do not have these main caps and all came with the stock thick balancer. You would think if Chrysler knew about these main caps in the blocks they would have a breaking point to when these caps were installed in the blocks that got these. But like everything else they only deal with a problem after it happens not before it happens and hope your warranty runs out but just how much warranty did you get on a Hemi Engine in a vehicle. I will dig that old yellow book out and read the complete section...

Warranty was 12 12, 4 speeds had more limitations. Everything else 5 50

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Originally Posted by Transman
Never heard of a recall.

The Tech Tip was calling out that some early blocks had those caps but I personally have never seen any, and I have never seen a Hemi break a cap either., at least a normally aspirated one.

From what the guy said only the first batch of street Hemi blocks (aug 65) had the problem. Second upgraded batch was late Jan 66. You know Chrysler trying to save a buck
My 68 Charger RT Hemi block broke one either before or after 7-8 came out the side, #4 , street car

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Originally Posted by Transman
Never heard of a recall.

The Tech Tip was calling out that some early blocks had those caps but I personally have never seen any, and I have never seen a Hemi break a cap either., at least a normally aspirated one.


I dug that book out my revision is 1976. I do not know who wrote any thing in this book because both the front and back covers are half torn off. The book is just a book to read. The book is basically what was done back in 1972-3-4. Time really has passed this book behind. There are a lot of things that are not true also. Here is an example of this I do not like, if you are going to race a Hemi I would toss the stock connecting rods away and buy after market. Next take all the valves and toss those beside the rods. You want to lighten everything that moves in a Hemi. This is just a start with this book it is a good History lesson but not all things are correct. I always wondered why my 2017 Chevy truck takes more oil in its oil pan than a stock Hemi Oil pan does. These Hemis with a stock oil pump can suck the stock pan dry and what happens booooooom out the side of the block thank Chrysler for not putting a bigger pan on these hemi, but I did 10 Quarts. I use an accumulator that if the pressure drops past a certain pressure it pumps quarts of oil from the can into the motor hopefully solving the problem till I can get it stopped. There are plenty on moparts that know and have raced Hemis and these are the guys you need to talk to. Some raced in the parts and other raced in the past and still do. The 1965 also had a blower on it and never heard anything like a main cap. Not huge HP for the day but still a lot of power. I would like to see one of those caps or at least a picture of one. Makes you wonder how many rolled out this way, and yes another posted is correct, Chrysler trying to save a penny on your hard earned money when you buy a car.


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Quoting from page 420 of the "Direct Connection Performance Book", "In the early production days of the street hemi, some cast iron caps were used, but these caps will break in today's highly stressed applications and should be thrown away. They can be identified by a parting line on each side of the cap. See Figure 1."


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Originally Posted by hemicar1971
Originally Posted by Transman
Never heard of a recall.

The Tech Tip was calling out that some early blocks had those caps but I personally have never seen any, and I have never seen a Hemi break a cap either., at least a normally aspirated one.


I dug that book out my revision is 1976. I do not know who wrote any thing in this book because both the front and back covers are half torn off. The book is just a book to read. The book is basically what was done back in 1972-3-4. Time really has passed this book behind. There are a lot of things that are not true also. Here is an example of this I do not like, if you are going to race a Hemi I would toss the stock connecting rods away and buy after market. Next take all the valves and toss those beside the rods. You want to lighten everything that moves in a Hemi. This is just a start with this book it is a good History lesson but not all things are correct. I always wondered why my 2017 Chevy truck takes more oil in its oil pan than a stock Hemi Oil pan does. These Hemis with a stock oil pump can suck the stock pan dry and what happens booooooom out the side of the block thank Chrysler for not putting a bigger pan on these hemi, but I did 10 Quarts. I use an accumulator that if the pressure drops past a certain pressure it pumps quarts of oil from the can into the motor hopefully solving the problem till I can get it stopped. There are plenty on moparts that know and have raced Hemis and these are the guys you need to talk to. Some raced in the parts and other raced in the past and still do. The 1965 also had a blower on it and never heard anything like a main cap. Not huge HP for the day but still a lot of power. I would like to see one of those caps or at least a picture of one. Makes you wonder how many rolled out this way, and yes another posted is correct, Chrysler trying to save a penny on your hard earned money when you buy a car.

Larry Shepard from Direct Connection collected the info from all the engineers and complied the Tech Tips and eventually the “Bible”.

He made publishing errors like every one else - some were corrected and some not.

As for the caps, one would wonder if the first Hemis had good caps, then in an effort to reduce expense it was decided to use cheaper material or maybe a change in casting tooling was made then eventually corrected.

No way would a plain cast iron cap live in NASCAR racing.










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