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5.7 hemi durability question #2800735
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i see the used car department bought a 09 dodge ram HD 2500 4X4 with the small 4 door cab.
it's a stripper municipal truck with a 5.7 hemi, auto, A/C, CC, manual shift 4X4, manual windows, no carpet, with looks like vinyl seats with the outer drivers seat outer edge has a big hole in it. truck is appliance white with a utility cap on it. looks like it was some municipal city truck
truck has 140K miles on it. every panel has a dent in it. almost every panel shows rust. the 1/4 panels are toast with rust, .amazingly it doesn't look like it was a plow truck because i don't see any mount holes and the front bumper is perfect with a bull guard on it protecting the grill.

would it be worth looking at for a upgrade over my 2000 ram 4X4 with a 360, 95K miles and rusty as hell.
i have read some 5.7 hemi motors have valve drop problems.


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Re: 5.7 hemi durability question [Re: Mr T2U] #2800737
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I would not recommend buying that. With that many miles it is probably going to have cam lobe failure real soon. Especially prone to gov't vehicles that they let idle a lot so they can keep the heater going in winter. Try finding a replacement 2500 Non-MDS Hemi motor... you'll pay big $$

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09 a lot better than earlier ones for that problem. If it's not ticking at all and had it's maintenance, it might be fine. I've seen them go a long way. It should be very inexpensive in that condition.


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Originally Posted by hemi70se
I would not recommend buying that. With that many miles it is probably going to have cam lobe failure real soon. Especially prone to gov't vehicles that they let idle a lot so they can keep the heater going in winter. Try finding a replacement 2500 Non-MDS Hemi motor... you'll pay big $$


this was similar to my original thought as well. from the looks of it it has been ridden really hard and put away really wet multiple times.
i figured i could buy it really cheap, i have no clue what they actually paid for it, but it couldn't have been much. for the UCD to buy something so beat up at auction. they usually don't buy something like that unless it was extremely cheap. they would have to put more $$$ into perfuming it up than what they paid for it.

my 2000 ram isn't a looker but it's reliable and the problem areas have been taken care of. i think i will hang on to it until at least next spring.


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Re: 5.7 hemi durability question [Re: Mr T2U] #2800838
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Yup, after 2009 they fixed all the problems but the lifter tick. My 09 Challenger with the 5.7 and MDS has 218,000 miles and I've never been in the engine.

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Originally Posted by Mr T2U
Originally Posted by hemi70se
I would not recommend buying that. With that many miles it is probably going to have cam lobe failure real soon. Especially prone to gov't vehicles that they let idle a lot so they can keep the heater going in winter. Try finding a replacement 2500 Non-MDS Hemi motor... you'll pay big $$


this was similar to my original thought as well. from the looks of it it has been ridden really hard and put away really wet multiple times.
i figured i could buy it really cheap, i have no clue what they actually paid for it, but it couldn't have been much. for the UCD to buy something so beat up at auction. they usually don't buy something like that unless it was extremely cheap. they would have to put more $$$ into perfuming it up than what they paid for it.

my 2000 ram isn't a looker but it's reliable and the problem areas have been taken care of. i think i will hang on to it until at least next spring.

I've had a 98 Ram with a 360, and both a MDS & a Non-MDS 5.7 with the newer eagle heads 09+.
Three things right off the top of my head...
1) The 5.7 will get considerably better gas mileage & pull anything the 360 could. up
2) You won't have to yank it apart just to change a stinking plenum gasket. whistling
3) And being a 2009... it still has a few years before the brake lines rust through.
_ (The 2000 Ram lines have either been replaced, or living on borrowed time) runaway


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Re: 5.7 hemi durability question [Re: Runner2go] #2800903
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My 2012 Ram 5.7 just rolled 220,000 miles and never been apart. It does have the lifter tick and has had it for 80,000 miles. It is getting tired I can tell but just keeps on going and going. Best truck I've ever had. It had 12 miles on it when I bought it 8 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by Mr T2U
Originally Posted by hemi70se
I would not recommend buying that. With that many miles it is probably going to have cam lobe failure real soon. Especially prone to gov't vehicles that they let idle a lot so they can keep the heater going in winter. Try finding a replacement 2500 Non-MDS Hemi motor... you'll pay big $$


this was similar to my original thought as well. from the looks of it it has been ridden really hard and put away really wet multiple times.
i figured i could buy it really cheap, i have no clue what they actually paid for it, but it couldn't have been much. for the UCD to buy something so beat up at auction. they usually don't buy something like that unless it was extremely cheap. they would have to put more $$$ into perfuming it up than what they paid for it.

my 2000 ram isn't a looker but it's reliable and the problem areas have been taken care of. i think i will hang on to it until at least next spring.

I've had a 98 Ram with a 360, and both a MDS & a Non-MDS 5.7 with the newer eagle heads 09+.
Three things right off the top of my head...
1) The 5.7 will get considerably better gas mileage & pull anything the 360 could. up
2) You won't have to yank it apart just to change a stinking plenum gasket. whistling
3) And being a 2009... it still has a few years before the brake lines rust through.
_ (The 2000 Ram lines have either been replaced, or living on borrowed time) runaway


this was also part of my thinking why i even considered upgrading.
the 5.7 would get much better driveability and gas mileage over the 360.. the 360 is good on the highway when the converter is locked up and the OD engaged it only turns 1600 rpm to do 70 so i get 15+ mpg on the highway. the problem is in town where it's driven most often is sub 10 without OD and locked up converter.

when i bought the truck dirt cheap it need a timing chain. i had a friend do the job because he owed me a favor and i am a auto body guy who hates doing greasy mechanical work. when he did the job he forgot to clean out the intake and air idle on the throttle body so it doesn't idle the best.

the brake lines have been replaced before i bought the truck. i wouldn't have bought it if that wasn't done. i did have to replace the gas tank straps.

pic of the truck. it looks much better in the pic than it actually is once you get a closer look at it. before i bought it someone was learning how to do metal work on the body. the end result was some of the worst body work i have ever seen. i picked up a pair of aftermarket fenders and after bath of $200 cheap enamel paint the truck looks presentable. the bull horn hood ornament was picked up out of a trash bin and i had to install the required $20 dukes of hazard musical horn. i think i have about $1800 in the truck as it sits. i figure i could sell it for $2000 - $2500 in fall if i really wanted to sell it.

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Re: 5.7 hemi durability question [Re: Mr T2U] #2800945
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I've seen many at work with tons of idle hours too do quite well. The 3.6's actually seemed to have much more issues with the tick up until around '17.

I'm of the opinion, if it sounds good now, keep up the maintenance, don't play the recommended oil weight, and it will probably keep on truckin'


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Re: 5.7 hemi durability question [Re: Mr T2U] #2800960
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Does Fastenal not do their work truck sale thing anywhere near you?

https://vehicles.fastenal.com

An example:

Vehicle Detail
2016 RAM 1500 4X2 HEMI REG CAB TRADSMAN
Asking Price: $14,700.00 Mileage: 43,562 Location: GRAND CHUTE, Wisconsin 54914 Phone: 920/738-7362

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My 2015 2500 4x4 regular cab just turned 204K with only issues being the typical broken exhaust manifold studs and rear carrier bearings but I have towed at least 100K with it. The 09 should be fine, if the price isn't too steep it should be a good truck... twocents


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Re: 5.7 hemi durability question [Re: rrbrucea] #2801256
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Originally Posted by rrbrucea
Does Fastenal not do their work truck sale thing anywhere near you?

https://vehicles.fastenal.com

An example:

Vehicle Detail
2016 RAM 1500 4X2 HEMI REG CAB TRADSMAN
Asking Price: $14,700.00 Mileage: 43,562 Location: GRAND CHUTE, Wisconsin 54914 Phone: 920/738-7362


Tough selling a 2wd in WI.

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Originally Posted by Devil
Yup, after 2009 they fixed all the problems but the lifter tick. My 09 Challenger with the 5.7 and MDS has 218,000 miles and I've never been in the engine.


2011 was the year cam and lifter problems really started hitting hard in trucks.

With no rockers and every panel having rust it better be a pretty low price but knowing what trucks go for it probably isn't.

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Originally Posted by 5thAve
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With no rockers and every panel having rust it better be a pretty low price but knowing what trucks go for it probably isn't.


honestly. as a autobody guy who values his time. the box, tail gate, rear bumper are rusted beyond repair and would be scrapped and replaced if i bought it. depending on price the fenders they would probably be replaced. the doors could be easily repaired depending on costs to replaced. the rockers could be repaired but again how much are new aftermarket parts? hood is a easy fix. a quick actual cost for me to repair would be $3500-4K in parts, paint, and materials, with at least 80+ hours of labor.
being a stripper truck with almost no options other than hemi power and auto trans and needing EXTENSIVE body work. i couldn't see paying much more than $5K for this truck. i would be moving up 9 years and loosing about 5K miles.
honestly the crooks that run the UCD probably wouldn't sell it for less than $8K.


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Originally Posted by 5thAve
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Yup, after 2009 they fixed all the problems but the lifter tick. My 09 Challenger with the 5.7 and MDS has 218,000 miles and I've never been in the engine.


2011 was the year cam and lifter problems really started hitting hard in trucks.

With no rockers and every panel having rust it better be a pretty low price but knowing what trucks go for it probably isn't.
I've heard mention that 2011 was problematic for that in the Chargers too. We don't have any at work. For whatever reason 09 and 10 models seem to be so good for Charger 5.7's that we have anyway. Then maybe like '13 or '14 and up.


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Originally Posted by Dcuda69
Originally Posted by rrbrucea
Does Fastenal not do their work truck sale thing anywhere near you?

https://vehicles.fastenal.com

An example:

Vehicle Detail
2016 RAM 1500 4X2 HEMI REG CAB TRADSMAN
Asking Price: $14,700.00 Mileage: 43,562 Location: GRAND CHUTE, Wisconsin 54914 Phone: 920/738-7362


Tough selling a 2wd in WI.


I get ya! But that was just one example. There are standard cabs, crew cabs, 2 wheel drive, 4 wheel drive. They sell a variety of trucks.

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somewhat of a update.

out of curiosity i checked on what i could buy it for today.
some small contractor bought it for $12K on Saturday. according to what i heard this truck is in better shape than the one he owns now. the story goes he has the almost exact same truck with a utility box on the back. Friday evening someone ran a stop sign and they T boned him at 30+ mph probably totaling the truck. both air bags were blown ant the front end was crushed. he needs a truck ASAP so he bought this one. tomorrow once it passes inspection and he pays and picks it up. he will swap boxes and be back in business in 2 days instead of waiting several weeks for the insurance co to decide what to do and time to find, buy and equip another truck.

OH well. i really didn't need it anyways.


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Originally Posted by AeroMonte
My 2012 Ram 5.7 just rolled 220,000 miles and never been apart. It does have the lifter tick and has had it for 80,000 miles. It is getting tired I can tell but just keeps on going and going. Best truck I've ever had. It had 12 miles on it when I bought it 8 years ago.


My 2004 Ram 5.7 has had a tick for as long as I can remember. I've never even checked to see if it is a lifter or an exhaust leak. It never seems to get any worse. I change the oil every 3000 miles and it is still clean when it comes out. Maybe it will break down tomorrow or maybe it will go another 15 years for me.

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I have just shy of 260,000 on my '03 5.7 2500. Exhaust manifold leaks are getting annoying but the truck
runs down the road just fine and does the job. It's getting a little rusty though, so I'll be selling it soon.
I've replaced it with 2015 model/same configuration.


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