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400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads #2799618
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Anyone got a set on an engine running and in the car and track tested?? 3000lb car preferably. Curious what kind of ets. Got back working on my set. Hope to have them on the engine in demon before end of season. TIA

Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: qwkmopardan] #2799628
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I have two sets.
Dakota 394 CI Trick Flow heads. 3730 lbs went 6.64 at 101.
Valiant wagon 408 CI Trick Flow heads 3450 lbs went 6.57 at 104.


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1965 Plymouth Valiant 200 Convertible
1965 Plymouth Valiant 200 Station wagon 408 6.52 @ 104
2001 Dodge Dakota 394 6.63 @ 103 1/8 mile 10.64 @ 123 1/4 mile
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Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: qwkmopardan] #2799740
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Be interesting to see how they work for you. We ran an early set on the dyno on a mild 408 and they didn't do anything great. Worked okay, just weren't super impressive. The big block TF heads were impressive right out of the box on a variety of engines so we were expecting a lot from the SB heads.

Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: AndyF] #2799850
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Be interesting to see how they work for you. We ran an early set on the dyno on a mild 408 and they didn't do anything great. Worked okay, just weren't super impressive. The big block TF heads were impressive right out of the box on a variety of engines so we were expecting a lot from the SB heads.


Buddy just got his Trick flow headed small block to the track for the first time the other day. 90 degrees, 3000+ DA
3100 ish pounds, 264/268 flat tappet, 727 trans, convertor from another combo( W8 deal) not specced to this motor.
Victor, 28 tire, 4.30 gear.
Ran 10.63 @ 125 and change right off the trailer. Brake line leak aborted the rest of the outing.
Didnt think that was too shabby. No tuning, pretty lackluster 1.50 60 foot.
Heads were right out of the box

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Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: B3422W5] #2799928
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So are these heads tons better than Edelbrock Performer RPM's? Enough that it's worth taking the Edelbrocks off a running engine and switching to the TF heads?

Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: Neil] #2799937
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Originally Posted by Neil
So are these heads tons better than Edelbrock Performer RPM's? Enough that it's worth taking the Edelbrocks off a running engine and switching to the TF heads?


fWIW..... if i was to guess, assuming both heads were merely just checked to make sure they were ready to run, and just bolted on a bracket stroker race type car, i would guess the TF heads are probably 4 tenths better.
Could close most of that gap if the eddies were fully ported.
Not seen any TF heads yet that anybody has went after to make them better than how they come.

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Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: B3422W5] #2799949
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Ok, thanks. I know someone looking at doing this, but I didn't know if it was worth the effort. His Edelbrocks are gasket matched with minor porting + cleanup work done to them,

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Originally Posted by Neil
Ok, thanks. I know someone looking at doing this, but I didn't know if it was worth the effort. His Edelbrocks are gasket matched with minor porting + cleanup work done to them,


IMHO, his money would be better spent having his current heads ported. If he were having to buy heads and rockers maybe then the Trick Flows may be the way to go. I haven't seen any numbers from the track from a Trick Flow combo that was overly impressive over known Edelbrock combo's.

Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: justinp61] #2800270
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A- send the current heads out for porting, wait to get them back...... hope they flow as good as the ootb TF heads.

B-sell the current heads and apply that $$$ to the new TF heads/head bolts/pushrods.
Do the swap in a weekend.

If it was within $500-700-ish...... I’d def go with the TF’s.


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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
A- send the current heads out for porting, wait to get them back...... hope they flow as good as the ootb TF heads.

B-sell the current heads and apply that $$$ to the new TF heads/head bolts/pushrods.
Do the swap in a weekend.

If it was within $500-700-ish...... I’d def go with the TF’s.



The same situation i am in, what does it cost to port a set Edelbrock's to flow 300 cfm at .600 lift? anybody have some numbers?


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Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2800338
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
A- send the current heads out for porting, wait to get them back...... hope they flow as good as the ootb TF heads.

B-sell the current heads and apply that $$$ to the new TF heads/head bolts/pushrods.
Do the swap in a weekend.

If it was within $500-700-ish...... I’d def go with the TF’s.



Dwayne, how much power do you think a set of TF's would be worth over a good set of ported Edelbrocks with a 2.055" intake valves? If I understand right you cant use the rockers off the Edelbrocks? What about the headers?

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Put the 2.055’s in?
Even more $$$.
Plus, Reworking used heads...... now you have more $$$ in normal recon work and cleaning.

Unless you find someone who likes to work for cheap money.......fully porting RPM’s, fresh valve job, bigger valves, I can easily see that going over $1200.
At 300cfm(I’ve never had one even close to that on my bench), you have a heavily ported, thin in some areas, street head with kinda wimpy rocker stands.

Brian at IMM could probably come up with a price for that job right off the top of his head for that.

Since I’ve never seen a 300cfm RPM head, I have no idea how much porting it takes to get there.

It’s a $1395 proposition at Hughes...... which includes 2.08 valves...... but milling the decks to get back to the original chamber volume isn’t.
Plus.... shipping two ways.
If you needed a spring upgrade as well....... you’re almost at the cost of the TF heads without even selling the Ede heads.

But....... forget about comparing the spring packages.
2.00” installed height and 1.560 OD available ootb with the TF.

Depending on what you already have for rockers, they might work on the TF’s.


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Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2800442
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When I bought my used Edelbrocks the only other (aluminum) options were Indy and Brodex. I gave $700 for the heads, then sent them to Curtis Boggs. He charged $1100 to port, do a 5 angle valve job and mill them to 55cc chambers. IIRC they flowed 293 @ .600. I ran them for five years on my 340, 7.24 @ 3240# on pump 93 with a hydraulic cam. When I was building my 408 I sent them to Ryan Johnson to be freshened, the valves were beat so he installed new 2.055" intakes and 1.600" exhaust, blended the intake bowl and did a 5 angle valve job another $1000. In my street/strip Dart, 3260#, 10.8-1, 260/264°, .633/628" flat solid with 4.10 gears it ran a bunch of 6.57's at a little over 104 mph on pump 93. The rockers are Hughes 1.6's that I ground the pi$$ to clear the valve springs. I'm thinking the springs are 2.00" installed height but will have to take them out of them box and measure.

If a guy is starting with nothing the Trick Flow are probably a better value but if he already has the heads and rocker gear I'm not convinced. The numbers from the track I've seen so far from the Trick Flows haven't been really impressive.

Don't the Trick Flows use a rocker with a big block offset? A traditional small type block rocker won't work?

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Originally Posted by justinp61
When I bought my used Edelbrocks the only other (aluminum) options were Indy and Brodex. I gave $700 for the heads, then sent them to Curtis Boggs. He charged $1100 to port, do a 5 angle valve job and mill them to 55cc chambers. IIRC they flowed 293 @ .600. I ran them for five years on my 340, 7.24 @ 3240# with a hydraulic cam and on pump 93. When I was building my 408 I sent them to Ryan Johnson to be freshened, the valves were beat so he installed new 2.055" intakes and 1.600" exhaust, blended the intake bowl and did a 5 angle valve job another $1000. In my street/strip Dart, 3260#, 10.8-1, 260/264°, .633/628" flat solid with 4.10 gears it ran a bunch of 6.57's at a little over 104 mph on pump 93. The rockers are Hughes 1.6's that I ground the pi$$ to clear the valve springs. I'm thinking the springs are 2.00" installed height but will have to take them out of them box and measure.

If a guy is starting with nothing the Trick Flow are probably a better value but if he already has the heads and rocker gear I'm not convinced. The numbers from the track I've seen so far from the Trick Flows haven't been really impressive.

Don't the Trick Flows use a rocker with a big block offset? A traditional small type block rocker won't work?




I think you are thinking about the Edelbrock Victor heads.


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Re: 400 inch sb with trick-flow 190 heads [Re: pittsburghracer] #2800447
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When I bought my used Edelbrocks the only other (aluminum) options were Indy and Brodex. I gave $700 for the heads, then sent them to Curtis Boggs. He charged $1100 to port, do a 5 angle valve job and mill them to 55cc chambers. IIRC they flowed 293 @ .600. I ran them for five years on my 340, 7.24 @ 3240# with a hydraulic cam and on pump 93. When I was building my 408 I sent them to Ryan Johnson to be freshened, the valves were beat so he installed new 2.055" intakes and 1.600" exhaust, blended the intake bowl and did a 5 angle valve job another $1000. In my street/strip Dart, 3260#, 10.8-1, 260/264°, .633/628" flat solid with 4.10 gears it ran a bunch of 6.57's at a little over 104 mph on pump 93. The rockers are Hughes 1.6's that I ground the pi$$ to clear the valve springs. I'm thinking the springs are 2.00" installed height but will have to take them out of them box and measure.

If a guy is starting with nothing the Trick Flow are probably a better value but if he already has the heads and rocker gear I'm not convinced. The numbers from the track I've seen so far from the Trick Flows haven't been really impressive.

Don't the Trick Flows use a rocker with a big block offset? A traditional small type block rocker won't work?




I think you are thinking about the Edelbrock Victor heads.


You may be right John.

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The Trick Flows I have on my 2000 5.9 magnum engine use regular LA Rocker arms. I have PRW 1.6 stainless steel rockers and mike from B3racing engines Geromity corection kit


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The Trick Flows I have on my 2000 5.9 magnum engine use regular LA Rocker arms. I have PRW 1.6 stainless steel rockers and mike from B3racing engines Geromity corection kit


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i heard those victors r good

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Originally Posted by one bad fish
i heard those victors r good




I’ve gone 9.40’s with my Indy 360-1 heads but I would love porting a set of the Victor heads to see what I could go with them. They require different pistons so maybe when mine are worn out. I’m still running a solid lifter cam so that would have to change too so it would make the expense worthwhile


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I gave $700 for the heads, then sent them to Curtis Boggs. He charged $1100 to port, do a 5 angle valve job and mill them to 55cc chambers.


What year did that happen?


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