Several people who have created other vaccines have stated:
“Do not expect more than 60% effectiveness for a “typical” Covid-19 vaccine”

On the other hand, there are now more than 160 vaccine efforts around the world.

There are only two coronavirus vaccines from the past:
A tiny pill for a chicken killing coronavirus made in Israel.
A SARS vaccine sitting in freezers in Texas that was never granted the money to be large scale tested in humans.

There has never been a successful vaccine for the 4 coronaviruses that circulate world wide as part of the many viruses lumped together as “the common cold”.

The last month has seen growing published evidence that
some people who previously recovered from one or more of those “common cold coronaviruses”
have some antibodies or T-cells that partially protect then from a severe case of Covid-19.

See, for example the detailed report on the Oxford University vaccine in a post above.

From the Oxford U vaccine report:

They also note that a small number of participants had detectable neutralizing antibodies and T cell responses against SARS-CoV-2 spike protein before vaccination,
likely to be due to past asymptomatic infection as potential participants with recent COVID-19-like symptoms or with a history of positive PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 were excluded from the study.

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The interview I saw last night said two shots lasted up to one year but they have only been testing it for 2-3 months. Hmmm kinda makes you wonder doesn’t it. They also said the vaccine causes headaches and tiredness. I think I’ll be passing on that one just like the yearly flu shots. Wash your hands guys.

Because this vaccine regardless of it's effectiveness will be bought by the millions if not billions of individual humans/govts/countries/etc... lots of dough to be made worldwide, of course you'll also be require to have follow up booster doses as well....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

IMO, you guys are arguing about re arranging the decks chairs. Any vaccine that reduces infection for even 40%? of the population, will have a huge positive overall effect, its just if we want to effectively stop COVID in its tracks, and reduce masking wearing, a vaccine(s) needs to be up to over 70% efficacy. How many vaccines will we have try out to get to 70%?, I have no idea, but it should be possible, if we can hold out that long and tolerate the deaths and costs it takes to get there. There is no silver bullet here.

Costco prices on vaccines

https://www.costco.com/Pharmacy/adult-immunization-program.html

Costco cash prices are nearly always the lowest, or within 5% of lowest.

$236 for the HPV Gardasil 9 vaccine that can prevent cancer.

MMR vaccine is three vaccines at once for $112

$60 at Walmart for the “Flublok” flu vaccine
grown in the corn borer caterpillar cells.
No eggs used. 20% more effective last 3 flu seasons.

What would you pay for a vaccine that might cut your risk of Alzheimer’s disease in half?

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-tuberculosis-vaccine-lowers-alzheimer-disease.html

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"There's data reaching back to the 1960's that shows that countries treating bladder cancer patients with the BCG vaccine had a lower prevalence of Alzheimer's disease but it hadn't been properly analyzed," shared lead author Bercovier.

Until now. Bercovier and his team followed 1,371 bladder cancer patients receiving treatment at HU's Hadassah Medical Center. The average patient age was 68. During follow-up visits, 65 cancer patients had developed Alzheimer's. Those who had not received BCG as part of their treatment had a significantly higher risk of developing Alzheimer's than did BCG-treated patients: 8.9% (44 patients) as opposed to 2.4% (21). Further, when compared with the general (healthy) population, people who had never been treated with BCG had a 4-fold higher risk for developing Alzheimer's than did those who were treated with BCG.

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Do not let a vaccine hit your shoulder nerve:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347325/

Elderly people do not respond to vaccines as well.
Elderly animals should be used to test and develop vaccines.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-vaccines-effective-elderly-covid-.html

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People age 65 and over suffer the most severe cases of COVID-19 and have the highest associated mortality rate.

If the goal is to have COVID-19 vaccines ready for public use by early 2021, the only ones that have a chance are those that are currently in clinical trials. It is likely that most of these did not undergo preclinical optimization for an elderly population, meaning these first-generation COVID-19 vaccines may perform poorly in the people that need them most.

For the COVID-19 pandemic, it is too late to go back and build these considerations into preclinical testing. However, it is imperative that researchers still in the preclinical phase incorporate head-to-head testing of their vaccine candidates in young versus aged animals and develop strategies to optimize them in the latter. This will help the world prepare for the next outbreak of a dangerous coronavirus.

For that matter, a focus on the elderly should be incorporated into other vaccine development programs, including those to treat cancers, which have the highest incidence in older people.

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UC Davis Health to test a new antibody cocktail (REGN-COV2) as a prevention and treatment for COVID-19.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-scientists-monoclonal-antibodies-potential-covid-.html

900 Brazilians to test Communist China Covid-19 vaccine

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-brazil-chinese-coronavirus-vaccine.html

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-safe-gym-coronavirus-pandemic.html

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Sexton also suggests bringing a backup mask. If the one you're wearing gets really damp with sweat, she says it might not be as effective.

Even for those being careful, gyms pose a risk. Many are indoors, where ventilation is limited and social distancing can be challenging. In an ongoing pandemic, if you can manage to break a sweat without returning to the gym just yet, that's the best option, according to Sexton.

"If you can exercise by yourself outside, that's safer than being at the gym," she said.

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World countries Covid-19 table

Note you can click on label at top of a number column and it will reorder: highest to lowest. Another click and it will reorder lowest at top downward to highest At bottom

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

State of Indiana does a “random sample” of its population for Covid-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-scientists-publish-1st-statewide-covid-.html

Edit: an Indiana researchers does an analysis of the result

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-random-indiana-covid-deadlier-flu.html

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Because our random sample was designed to be representative of the population of the state, we can assume with almost certainty that the entire state numbers are the same. That would mean that approximately 188,000 Indiana residents had been infected by late April. At that point, the official confirmed cases—not including deaths – were about 17,000.

Focusing the tests on severe or high-risk people underestimated the true infection rate by a factor of 11.

Having a reliable estimate of the true number of people who have been infected also allowed us to calculate the infection fatality rate—the percentage of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 who die. In Indiana, we calculated the rate is 0.58%. For this calculation, we divided the number of COVID-19 deaths in Indiana—1,099 at the time—into the total number of people that were determined to have been cumulatively infected at 2.8% of the population—188,000.

Early estimates suggested that 5% to 6% of cases in the U.S. were fatal, which is similar to the 6.3% that you would get by dividing confirmed cases in Indiana—17,000—by the deaths—1,099. The infection–fatality rate of 0.58% is thankfully far lower, but is nearly six times higher than the seasonal flu which has a death rate of 0.1%.

This random testing also allowed us to make accurate estimates about what percent of infected people are asymptomatic. In our study, about 44% of those who tested positive for active viral infection reported no symptoms. While this was already suspected by experts, our estimate is likely the most accurate to date.

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Good BBC article on T-Cells, the common cold, and Covid-19

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19

So the gluteous maximus doesn't solve all these potential issues?

I'm already used to a sore butt from posting on Moparts,

Some of you guys should ask if they can give you your vaccine shot in your head. Might match the other holes in your heads. Lol 😂

Wall Street Journal has several articles on Covid-19 on Wednesday.

Vaccines for Covid-19 are estimated to cost $50 to $100 each.
Some companies have pledged to sell for no profit.
Moderna has not, and needs a profit on its first product ever.

WSJ says death rate from Covid-19 has been narrowed to between 0.53 to 0.82%.
CDC changed its estimate to 0.65%
This would be six times deadlier than typical influenza.

I notice the article does not mention that some recover using T-cells, and test negative for Ig antibodies,
so I personally suspect the death rate of ALL infected is lower still, maybe 0.2 to 0.4% .

Ted Rail has an article on page A15
bringing up a Covid-19 factor I had not thought of,
but it might be too political to post here.

I tried to research whether there was an advantage to getting the shot in that big muscle before I got my first FluBlok shot.
I could not find answers.

There is advice to go on a long & tiring walk after a vaccination to stimulate your response.
This is especially beneficial to older persons.
I do this.

During a walk wouldn’t the gluteous maximus muscle be better than the deltoid muscle?