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Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 #2798919
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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: FM3AAR] #2798921
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That is a shame. Quality products. Lots of pressure from Chinese PREDATORS, and of course battery powered everything these days.

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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2798922
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
That is a shame. Quality products. Lots of pressure from Chinese PREDATORS, and of course battery powered everything these days.


Death by a thousand cuts.

Some are pretty deep. Like 130,000+ people dead without firing a shot.

But, Horror Freight is doing great so who cares.


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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: CMcAllister] #2798981
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Briggs killed themselves many years ago. I was a professional landscaper from 1969-82 and I used up lots of Briggs motors. Honda came along and their products would last three or four times longer with zero problems for about the same cost. Briggs refused to change. Now there are lots of other brands besides Honda that are better than Briggs and they still have not brought up their quality. They just don’t last as long and they made them cheap. I won’t own another Briggs product the rest of my life. They’d still be in business if they made a piece that would compete with a Honda. I kept my last Snapper and put a Honda on it when I stopped mowing commercial. I’ve had it for 25 years. Starts first pull. I would have had three or four Briggs motors on it by now.

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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: fastmark] #2798993
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its sad, but very true.


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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: fastmark] #2798994
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Originally Posted by fastmark
Briggs killed themselves many years ago. I was a professional landscaper from 1969-82 and I used up lots of Briggs motors. Honda came along and their products would last three or four times longer with zero problems for about the same cost. Briggs refused to change. Now there are lots of other brands besides Honda that are better than Briggs and they still have not brought up their quality. They just don’t last as long and they made them cheap. I won’t own another Briggs product the rest of my life. They’d still be in business if they made a piece that would compete with a Honda. I kept my last Snapper and put a Honda on it when I stopped mowing commercial. I’ve had it for 25 years. Starts first pull. I would have had three or four Briggs motors on it by now.


Yeah but Honda is turning to crap also. Bought a replacement carb for my Honda generator. Now made in China. Surface finish was so bad on the flanges you could use it as a file. It was off scale on my profilometer which means it was above 150 microinches Ra and the original was like 15 microinches Ra average.


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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: markz528] #2799082
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You think we would learn as a nation that China does not give a rats A$$ about America other than to see how much money they can con us out of.

Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: fastmark] #2799086
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Originally Posted by fastmark
Briggs killed themselves many years ago. I was a professional landscaper from 1969-82 and I used up lots of Briggs motors. Honda came along and their products would last three or four times longer with zero problems for about the same cost. Briggs refused to change. Now there are lots of other brands besides Honda that are better than Briggs and they still have not brought up their quality. They just don’t last as long and they made them cheap. I won’t own another Briggs product the rest of my life. They’d still be in business if they made a piece that would compete with a Honda. I kept my last Snapper and put a Honda on it when I stopped mowing commercial. I’ve had it for 25 years. Starts first pull. I would have had three or four Briggs motors on it by now.


Yeah the last time I bought a nice mower the sales guy told me to pay a little more for a Honda engine. He said that Briggs wasn't very good quality anymore. I'm not surprised, I've watched a lot of American companies kill themselves over the last 40 years by short cutting quality and skimping on engineering. They all paid big bonuses to themselves on the way down though!

Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: FM3AAR] #2799094
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"KPS has a proven track record of investing in manufacturing facilities and operating them profitably and sustainably," Steelworkers President Tom Conway said in a statement.

Retirees, on the other hand, are losing their supplemental health and life insurance.

On Sunday, Briggs' board of directors voted to terminate the group insurance plan for retirees. "Your health and life insurance coverage (under the plan) will end on August 31, 2020. Any eligible claims incurred on or before August 31 will be covered by the plan," the company said.



The company warned that its losses, the pandemic and pending debt payments raised substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. Yet in June, while it skipped a $6.7 million interest payment, the company awarded its executives and other key employees more than $5 million in cash retention awards.

Such awards are often given before a company files for bankruptcy.

"Whether you like the management team or not, they likely get to stay in place for the foreseeable future," Hayes said.


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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: DaveRS23] #2799114
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The company warned that its losses, the pandemic and pending debt payments raised substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. Yet in June, while it skipped a $6.7 million interest payment, the company awarded its executives and other key employees more than $5 million in cash retention awards.

Such awards are often given before a company files for bankruptcy.


Therein lies the problem with this "SYSTEM" that is in place. The excutives should be stripped of those BONEUSUS and jailed. Their property including that which has been hidden should also be forfeited. twocents

Same thing should have been done in 2008 but it wasn't frown

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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: DaveRS23] #2799117
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My son worked at the local Briggs& Stratton factory for several years. They would hire any crack head that would show up. Fire them and hire more. Quality was dropping and the work environment was getting very poor. I was told that they have a few MILLION engines locally warehoused everywhere around here. No buyers for them but they keep cranking them out. I'm glad he left a few years ago. You could see the writing on the wall.

Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: TJP] #2799129
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The company warned that its losses, the pandemic and pending debt payments raised substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. Yet in June, while it skipped a $6.7 million interest payment, the company awarded its executives and other key employees more than $5 million in cash retention awards.

Such awards are often given before a company files for bankruptcy.


Therein lies the problem with this "SYSTEM" that is in place. The excutives should be stripped of those BONEUSUS and jailed. Their property including that which has been hidden should also be forfeited. twocents

Same thing should have been done in 2008 but it wasn't frown


..and the Stock Market continues to rise. Mom & Pop stores & restaurants closing permanently, I just can't fathom that the Market can't see how the financial cliff we IMHO are headed for: There's only been the stimulus supporting consumer spending... it isn't an increase in revenue, value or equity that justifies the continuing rise.

Long term we will be OK, ...I guess I just don't see how we get there without a prolonged depression..
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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: FM3AAR] #2799130
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Hey no worries, some Chinese company will buy B&S for a penny on the dollar and make a killing on people that will still think it's an American company and still think MADE IN USA.........they're pretty good at that mad

Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: fastmark] #2799187
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Originally Posted by fastmark
Briggs killed themselves many years ago. I was a professional landscaper from 1969-82 and I used up lots of Briggs motors. Honda came along and their products would last three or four times longer with zero problems for about the same cost. Briggs refused to change. Now there are lots of other brands besides Honda that are better than Briggs and they still have not brought up their quality. They just don’t last as long and they made them cheap. I won’t own another Briggs product the rest of my life. They’d still be in business if they made a piece that would compete with a Honda. I kept my last Snapper and put a Honda on it when I stopped mowing commercial. I’ve had it for 25 years. Starts first pull. I would have had three or four Briggs motors on it by now.


I have a Simplicity 16 hp Vangaurd 44" tractor. Bought new in 04. It's been almost flawless. 700+ hours...1 coil and a PTO. Other than that....oil/filters and batteries. Still runs and cuts like new! Nothing wrong with a good Briggs......have another on a 8 yr old Simplicity snow blower...starts on 1 or 2 pulls everytime.

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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: Dcuda69] #2799219
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Originally Posted by Dcuda69
Originally Posted by fastmark
Briggs killed themselves many years ago. I was a professional landscaper from 1969-82 and I used up lots of Briggs motors. Honda came along and their products would last three or four times longer with zero problems for about the same cost. Briggs refused to change. Now there are lots of other brands besides Honda that are better than Briggs and they still have not brought up their quality. They just don’t last as long and they made them cheap. I won’t own another Briggs product the rest of my life. They’d still be in business if they made a piece that would compete with a Honda. I kept my last Snapper and put a Honda on it when I stopped mowing commercial. I’ve had it for 25 years. Starts first pull. I would have had three or four Briggs motors on it by now.


I have a Simplicity 16 hp Vangaurd 44" tractor. Bought new in 04. It's been almost flawless. 700+ hours...1 coil and a PTO. Other than that....oil/filters and batteries. Still runs and cuts like new! Nothing wrong with a good Briggs......have another on a 8 yr old Simplicity snow blower...starts on 1 or 2 pulls everytime.

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My experience is with the smaller 3.5 to 6 hp motors. When I was using up the 4hp many years ago, the Briggs just had the cheap foam air cleaner that you kept oiled. They would not improve it because they could sell more engines. The customers wanted a better filter. Honda came along with a paper filter so Briggs had to improve. The retro fit kit for a Briggs made it last twice as long. I was a good American consumer and resisted a foreign made engine as long as I could. The last Briggs motors I bought were on the Troy built string trimmers. I went through 4 of those crappy things in a few short years. I can fix anything but gave up trying to keep them running.

Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: fastmark] #2799230
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After all the issues I had with my last riding mowers engine with a Intek briggs I would not buy another.

Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: mopars4ever] #2799231
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I have been happy with my last two briggs motors. Both walk behinds with the same engine, the first one ran well even though I hit something with it and had to straighten the crankshaft back out(can't believe that worked). The second I have on a Husqvarna walk behind that I bought for the AWD because my yard is kind of rough and steep in places. However the one on my old riding mower just blew up one day for no reason I could find. I was mowing along and it started to bog down like the grass was getting thick then just locked up. It was full of oil and everything, that is when I learned I could mow my yard faster with a walk behind lol.


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Re: Briggs & Stratton files for Chapter 11 [Re: AeroMonte] #2799253
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Originally Posted by AeroMonte
My son worked at the local Briggs& Stratton factory for several years. They would hire any crack head that would show up. Fire them and hire more. Quality was dropping and the work environment was getting very poor.


That's been the labor model at a lot of places for a lot of years. It works well enough to preserve the golden parachute funding when the place eventually goes down the toilet. Some of it is supply and demand based. My last retirement gig would hire in batches of 15-20 for 90 day trials with the hope of keeping one or two. Sometimes that was hard to achieve.

As for B&S motors, can't tell ya what they're like over the last couple decades because I have (2) 8 hp verical shafts that are 20+ years old and still running strong. Tend to suck a little oil but they have since new, still start on first of second pull and the only thing I've had to replace is oil, filter and magneto. My other briggs is an 8 hp horizontal that is at least 30 yrs old and aside from needing starter fluid to start, is also still going strong.

They don't make em like they used to because they aren't still around to make anything.


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