Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
[Re: tywebb2]
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Cudaman1967...I sent you a p/m earlier tonight...check it out.
If you can p/m or email me those directions that would be great. Do you actually have to have a laptop in the car and connected to the ZT2 to data log or can you make your pass and connect the laptop once you get back in the pits between rounds?
After researching multiple forums and sites tonight I think I am leaning toward the Zeitronix piece.
im interested in this too
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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aarcuda,
Mention Mike Mills and Marc will take care of you
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
[Re: cudaman1967]
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Mike,
What deal did you get? I spoke with Marc and mentioned your name and he quoted me list price?
Thanks, Warren
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
[Re: tywebb2]
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They are one of my sponsors. So my price will be different than yours. PM me the price they gave you and I can tell you what they gave you off the package...
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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Well I bit the bullet and ordered the Zeitronix Zt2 with the Zr2 multi gauge today. Got it from a distributor in Minnesota. They beat the price I got direct from Zeitronix and had it in stock to ship today so I should have it next week. I can't wait to get the thing installed and start tuning.
So I guess the answer to my question of LM-1 or FAST is actually Zeitronix. Thanks for the direction on this one Cudaman1967.
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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I went with Modern Auto Performance (www.maperformance.com). They had it in stock and it shipped same day.
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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I prefer the PLX wideband. It is a guage and they don't burn up nearly as bad as the innovates do. Racegas seems to take its toll on the innovates.
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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You can record up to 9 hrs of data. Not sure what Marc may have been refering too. But the ZT-2 box is a datalogger
So you don't need a laptop computer in the car to record? Just to download the file?
I have been using my LM-1 for years, and I have had no problems. From the forums, they do need some attention to wiring hook-up. I have a hardwire with inline fuse rather than using the cig socket. A proper ground too.
Everyone should realize that AFR will vary with rpm, so a recording of that is the best way to tune. So I like to study the graph after a run. It would be nice to have a realtime gauge for driving around and rough tuning too. For street tuning, a throttle position sensor would be helpful.
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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You can record up to 9 hrs of data. Not sure what Marc may have been refering too. But the ZT-2 box is a datalogger
So you don't need a laptop computer in the car to record? Just to download the file?
I have been using my LM-1 for years, and I have had no problems. From the forums, they do need some attention to wiring hook-up. I have a hardwire with inline fuse rather than using the cig socket. A proper ground too.
Everyone should realize that AFR will vary with rpm, so a recording of that is the best way to tune. So I like to study the graph after a run. It would be nice to have a realtime gauge for driving around and rough tuning too. For street tuning, a throttle position sensor would be helpful.
what size fuse did you use? I just hard wired my lm1 in after finding out how loose my cigaratte socket was (the ground was intermittant and was messing with the voltage to the unit).
right now, i am straight to the accessory feed on the fuse block but i want to put a fuse in there for protection.
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Re: Innovative LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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why not get a lean/rich gauge and single wire O2 sensor? Tom used one to setup his blower motor and I used one to tune my Dominator.
They work ok for simple tuning at idle and such...but they have limitations. Slower to react....and you cannot datalog and graph along with RPM throught the run to evaluate your complete fuel curve. Even a wideband isn't all that useful in my opinion without the RPM info to coinside with it.
All my wideband use has been on my brothers chassis dyno though...but now that he's renting dyno time again...I would like my own wideband setup.
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Re: Innovative LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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I have the FAST system, You don`t need a laptop to replay the run and get readings.
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Re: Innovative LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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Zeitronix told me you need to have a laptop hooked up to the Zt2 if you want to datalog. There is also some extra software you can buy to load onto a pda (i.e. Palm III, etc.) and you can use that instead. I am probably going to pick up an older pda cheap and use that to log my runs at the track.
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