Compression ratio
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Be gentle, but I have a question I'm sure many of you know the answer, but after searching I've yet to find it. I've got a '72 motor home 440 that according to the serial number was an 8.2:1 compression ratio engine. The heads are being replaced with my set of Stealth heads. I'm just trying to get a decent idea of what kind of compression those heads will give me on a stock 440 of that era. I figured since it was in stock configuration, someone would know how much of a jump the Stealth heads are worth.
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Re: Compression ratio
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To start with you need to measure how far down the piston is @ TDC from the deck, most of those are less than 8 to 1 stock
Last edited by csk; 07/04/20 11:34 PM.
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: Compression ratio
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Ok, let me put it this way. How much will a Stealth head raise my compression over a stock open chamber? Without CCing everything & if you use the same factory thin gasket, maybe .2 ish increase in compression, could be a little more
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1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: Compression ratio
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Not enough to matter is the answer you're looking for.....You need to change the pistons to make a motorhome motor a HP engine.
Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451
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Re: Compression ratio
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Those stock heads normally measure out around 93 to 97.0 CC, take those numbers and plug in the normal motorhome piston deck height of -.100 to-.120 with a .017 thick head gasket with a bore size of around 4.440 and see what computes. On your deal I would look at buying the cheaper Eddy 75.0 CC heads or maybe even some small combustion chamber Speedmaster heads Plug the 75.0 CC into the formula versus the 80.0 CC of the Stealth heads and go from there
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Re: Compression ratio
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Could you mil the Stealths to pick up some compression?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: Compression ratio
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My stealths from 2012 were 79-82 CC out of the box. This should be worth around half a point of compression depending on the exact specs of your engine if you run a steel shim gasket. If you run a standard .039 gasket it will only be worth around a quarter of a point. A .016 cut on the Stealths will get them down to the 75 CC range, which will get you about 1 full point with a steel shim and around 3/4 of a point with a .039 gasket.
I run Mr Gasket steel shims with my stealths and have not had a problem. Make sure you look closely that the gasket doesn't overhang the chambers no matter which gasket you run if you run a 4.41 bore gasket.
Measure how far in the bore your pistons are with a straight edge and some feeler gauges and you can calculate more precisely where you should be. I'm assuming you're about .140 below deck and 8:1 stock with a 90 CC chamber.
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Re: Compression ratio
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Well for now, I need to run the Stealths that I have. I spent my motor building budget on a 451 that blew up because of an incompetent machine shop. "incompetent machine shop"? Lord forbid! we know they're all motor messiah's! on a non-sarcastic note, I did some math on compression ratio vs cc's some years back and basically one cc will change the compression ratio about a tenth of a point. having a compression ratio lower than 9:1 will need just a little more than one cc for a tenth of a point, and compression ratios at around 10:1 will need slightly less than one cc for a tenth of a point in change. you'll never know the "exact" change without measuring everything but you can get close using the one cc/ tenth of a point thing.
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Re: Compression ratio
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Re: Compression ratio
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Nothing you do to any head will get any quench back, the piston is too far down. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear the OP saying anything about quench.
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Re: Compression ratio
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Nothing you do to any head will get any quench back, the piston is too far down. Never say never! Just mill away the deck surface of the head, but leave "quench pads" that hang down to .040" above the piston. I've done it, it works surprisingly well.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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